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In the event that the United States and Israel launch a preemptive attack on Iran, Iran is prepared to deliver a withering response that will destroy US military bases, oil production facilities, critical infrastructure, and command and control centres across the Middle East. In short, Iran has the ability to set the entire region ablaze at the flip-of-a-switch due entirely to its prodigious missile capability which surpasses that of either the United States or Israel. Check out this excerpt from an article at The National Interest titled Why Iran’s Fattah-1 Hypersonic Missile Is a Disaster for Israeli Security:
Two years ago, in June 2023, the Islamic Republic of Iran unveiled the Fattah-1, the country’s first hypersonic ballistic missile—at least according to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps. Fattah means “Conqueror” in Farsi.
The missile represents a significant milestone in Iran’s military ambitions, signaling its intent to project power—and highlights the radical, evolving nature of Iran’s missile threat. In many respects, this threat is even more of a concern to Western strategists than Iran’s threshold nuclear weapons capability. After all, even if Iran developed such weapons, it could not use them without inviting its own annihilation. But if Tehran had truly developed a hypersonic ballistic missile, everyone knows which nation it would be first to target….
Unlike traditional ballistic missiles that follow predictable parabolic trajectories, the Fattah-1 features a maneuverable reentry vehicle (MaRV), enabling it to adjust its course mid-flight, both within and outside Earth’s atmosphere. This maneuverability, facilitated by a solid-fuel propulsion system and a movable secondary nozzle, is central to Fattah-1’s ability to evade most advanced missile defense systems, such as the Israeli Arrow, David’s Sling, and Iron Dome—or even American systems like the Aegis and Patriot.
In other words, the presence of Fattah-1 should give both the Americans and Israelis pause as to agitating for preventative air strikes against suspected Iranian nuclear weapons development facilities. Why Iran’s Fattah-1 Hypersonic Missile Is a Disaster for Israeli Security, National Interest
Repeat: The US and Israel’s most advanced missile defense systems, (the Israeli Arrow, David’s Sling, Iron Dome, Aegis and Patriot) are useless against Iran’s hypersonic missiles. In other words, the Fattah-1 is unstoppable.
🇮🇷Iran’s Fattah Hypersonic Missile, 400 seconds to Israel🔥 pic.twitter.com/IPXvMy2dee
— Zeinab (@Zeinaab_Mk) April 12, 2024
Does Donald Trump know any of this?
No. Trump is surrounded by “yes-men” and neocons who only tell him what they want him to hear. He’s locked inside a foreign policy bubble in which all the occupants believe in the delusional myth of “American invincibility”. Trump thinks that obsolete carrier groups and B-2 Stealth bombers will win wars even when his adversaries have modernized and stocked their arsenals with state-of-the-art ballistic missile systems that can elude any of their outdated air-defense systems and put their payload directly on the target. Here’s more from the same article:
While U.S. B-2 Spirit long-range stealth bombers could likely clobber Iranian nuclear facilities from the air, the Iranians can threaten retaliation against a long list of targets in the region—exposed U.S. bases near Iranian territory, sensitive oil refineries in neighboring Saudi Arabia, U.S. aircraft carriers in the Red Sea, the Strait of Hormuz, and even distant Israel. The bounty of soft targets in the region is a profound threat against which there is little reliable defense….
Iran’s possession of missiles like the Fattah-1 means that Iranian retaliation is a significant threat to the region. Neither Washington nor Jerusalem should not downplay this real threat to their safety and economic prosperity.
And, for all the naysayers saying that Iran’s previous rounds of “massive retaliation” against Israel within the past year have fallen flat, it’s important to understand the geopolitical context. Iran appears to have held back its most important weapons in those retaliatory strikes—and there is evidence to suggest that they pulled their punches following pressure from their primary military partner, Russia.
Why Has Iran Been Holding Back?
Although the Russian hold over Iran is strong, the fact of the matter is that previous Israeli strikes against Iranian targets have avoided the country’s suspected nuclear weapons development facilities. These facilities represent the equivalent of the Holy Grail for the Iranian Islamist regime.
If either the Israelis or Americans struck these facilities and destroyed them—or even degraded them—it is unlikely that even Russia’s hold on Iran would dissuade the enraged Islamists from striking back against U.S., Israeli, and Saudi targets in ways hitherto unimagined.
Therefore, the Iranian missile threat is real. It should be avoided, if at all possible. And while negotiations with Iran are unlikely to achieve much, air strikes are a strategic mirage. The uncertainty and instability they can unleash in an already chaotic region is not worth the risk. Why Iran’s Fattah-1 Hypersonic Missile Is a Disaster for Israeli Security, National Interest
What’s interesting about this article is that the author—who appears to be a strong backer of US and Israel—is offering a word of caution based on his objective analysis of Iran’s astonishing missile capability. He is not making a moral judgement about the impending war itself, just informing the presumed perpetrators that they will face stiff resistance and could lose. That’s right, the US could lose a war with Iran. (In fact, that very scenario has been ‘gamed out’ many times in the past and the outcome was always the same.) At the very least, an outbreak of hostilities with Iran will send oil prices skyrocketing, equities markets tumbling and the global economy into a death spiral. Trump hopes to minimize the damage by escalating quickly to tactical nuclear “bunker buster” weapons that (he thinks) will bring the conflict to a swift end. But that’s not going to happen. After all, Iran has been preparing for a war with the United States for nearly two decades and they are ready to go. Any attack on their nuclear facilities will put the dominoes in motion triggering wave after wave of ballistic missile attacks on soft and hard targets in Israel and across the Middle East.
Naturally, a number of analysts think that the Fattah-1’s abilities have been greatly exaggerated and are all a part of an Iranian propaganda campaign. Not surprisingly, these are the same people who want to drag the US into a war with Iran. It’s worth noting, however, that even the conservative Washington Post provided “satellite imagery from Planet Labs and expert assessments, that confirmed that at least 24 to 32 (Iranian Fattah) missiles struck or landed near Israeli targets, including 20 to 32 hits on Nevatim Airbase, three on Tel Nof Airbase, and two near Mossad headquarters. (The most protected sites in the world!) Damage was limited, but this indicates some missiles evaded interception.”
So, some missiles were intercepted?
Not likely. As the author confirmed, US and Israeli air defense systems are incapable of shooting down Iran’s hypersonic missiles.
By the way, the damage was “limited” because Iran did not use their more destructive warheads. It was basically a ‘show of force’; a “shot fired over the bow” of impulsive aggressors who don’t grasp the magnitude of the catastrophe they’ll face if they blunder ahead with their misguided strategy. Of course, coverage of the Iranian attacks has largely been concealed from the public to ensure that Trump doesn’t get ‘cold feet’ and refuse to launch air strikes according to plan. In short, Israel has set a trap for Trump, and Trump appears to be walking straight into it. This is from a post at the Middle East Spectator:
Iran’s 2,000 kilometer range ‘Sepehr’ OTH Radar has finally become operational, satellite imagery seems to confirm
The radar array is one of Iran’s most advanced over-the-horizon radars, more than 1,5 kilometers in length. It can detect takeoffs of individual aircraft or ballistic missile launches at a range of up to 2,000 kilometers, including inside the entirety of Israel.
Only a handful of countries have mastered such advanced OTH radar technology, and the radar provides Iran with valuable early warning of an imminent attack. Middle East Spectator
So, Iran has developed advanced radar systems that can detect any enemy aircraft or ballistic missile that is launched from 2,000 kilometers away. Which means the Iranian military will have ample time to engage their defensive assets while ordering whatever first-wave ballistic missile strike they have in mind.
But that’s ‘just for starters’ because—as we know from the tit-for-tat air strikes (that took place) between Israel and Iran last year; these cutting-edge, multi-layered air defense systems—(that have been integrated with Russian S-200, S-300s, Chinese systems, and other unknown elements)—forced Israeli aircraft to turn around and retreat during their April 19 attack. As it happens, the Israelis “never got closer than 70 kms to Iran because they were locked onto by “an unknown air defense system” that spooked the Israelis prompting a hasty retreat. As a result, the Israeli pilots were forced to fire their long-range missiles at targets that were too far away to be effective. In short, Iran’s air defense system forced the Israelis to scrap their mission and return home after inflicting only minor damage to Iranian military sites. There is every reason to believe that a similar scenario will unfold if US fighters and high-altitude bombers are involved.
Conclusion
- The Israeli air assault shows that Iranian air defense systems—which rank among the best in the world—can detect and counter stealth aircraft like the F-35
- Iran’s electronic warfare systems enhance its air defenses by disrupting enemy targeting or communication
- Iran’s advanced radar systems—that can detect any enemy aircraft or ballistic missile from 2,000 kilometers away—provide ample time for Iran’s military to engage their defensive assets and order counterstrikes.
- Iran’s Fattah-1 Hypersonic missile—which travels at a speed of Mach 13 (roughly 10,000 mph)—can evade any US or Israeli air defense system and deliver its warhead precisely on target
Former Marine Corps intelligence officer and UN weapons inspector, Scott Ritter summed it up like this:
If we get into a war with Iran, we will not win … Iran has a significant ballistic missile force, with an extraordinary capability. It’s capable of targeting American naval vessels, sinking American aircraft carriers…War with Iran would be suicide and the US will lose.
A word to the wise is sufficient.
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Iran was as weak as it’ll probably be for centuries, in 1979. Many Shah loyalist army officers left. Iraq took advantage, and lost after an 8 year struggle financed by the richer Arab states. Rumor is Russia was GOING to invade but instead was pulled into Afghanistan (Operation Cyclone).
THe age of western air dominance is over and Iran isn’t threatened right now unless things go nuclear. They were able to defeat Saudi Arabia through their Houthi proxies and even reach a peace deal (fingers crossed).
Iran’s leadership however is bouyed by the constant beligerence and terror attacks by Israel and the USA. If NATO / USA ever backs down or moves away from that table, or if Israel stops threatening them, the mad mullahs are fucking history.
THe youth movement is strong, Iran’s populace has never really been on board with radical islam.
Leftists take note: The islamists depended on the marxists to help them into power, and the first thing they did was turn on them.
Put THAT in your “”invite islam into the west” pipes and smoke it!
This is not a sure thing. The USA only has 20 B-2s because they cost $2 billion each. Since they must strike at night and fly long range from Diego Garcia, Iran can calculate their general route and timing. They are subsonic, big and put out some heat. They block the starlight when looking from below, and Iran may equip fighters with spotlights as the Serbs did. Iranian fighters might find a B-2 or more and that would be embarrassing.
Iran probably has several sets of ready to assemble nukes and they are surely not located at known nuclear facilities.
Notice how retaliating for being attacked is the “threat” here.
Is it possible for an entire culture to be irretrievably narcissistic?
The problem is, when Iran defends itself, the US (or more likely, Israel) will be tempted to do something insane, like using nukes. How can the escalation be stopped?
Word is that when that Russian MiG-29 pilot defected to Turkey with his plane, the USA tested its passive IR against the B-2 and it was able to find / lock it. No it’s not radar and you have to still find the general direction of course. But no matter how much IR diffusing there is, it still shows up against a cold sky no matter what.
The B-2 development was shelved for a while around then, not sure if that was related or just a casualty of the cold war ending and budgets cutting (more likely). When it came back it went through Senate Appropriations so badly that every single state in the union got some pork on the project. Even Alaska – which has a single small factory making one fucking wiring harness for the thing. Which is why it costs as much as a submarine.
The B-2 itself is a symbol of bloated western military budgets and limited results. The thing is made for day two of a nuclear war, when enemy air defenses are down and it’s time to fly into their country and mop up. It’s NOT a first strike weapon and anyone telling you that is fibbing worse than the defense contractors.
This isn’t a project that taxpayers should be funding as they’d likely all be dead by the time it’s used properly. The Pentagram is desperate to grasp at straws and justify the expense by actually using it but if Iran shoots one down it’ll be more than embarrassing – the jig will be up and this here empire will start REALLY crumbling.
By Iranian air defenses shooting down the incoming nuclear missile.
Even if Israel had ICBMs (a giant IF) their postage-stamp size of a country is too close to missiles raining down on the launch sites.
And if it’s launched from a plane like the earlier “F-35 strike” (plane shooting missiles from miles away from the border and going cold) then it’ll be a target to shoot at.
The nukes aren’t magic. They still have to make it.
The world is letting it happen because the world is controlled by Zion.
https://twitter.com/xIsraelExposedx/status/1914523751779320284
Nuclear weapons dont exist. Stop spreading hoaxes.
Hit MOSSAD, Unit 8200, the air-fields etc, but leave civilians alone. Iran doesn’t want to act like the Judeonazis.
‘He’s locked inside a foreign policy bubble in which all the occupants believe in the delusional myth of “American invincibility”.’
As far as I can see the same thing was believed by whoever ran President Vegetable’s administration.
Why? How can they be so blind?
If the culture is of western european origin – yes, it’s possible for an entire culture to be irretrievably narcissistic.
mike seems to think russia pressured iran into holding back on their retaliatory strike but this is not the case. russia sent a letter from putin to the ayatollah khamenei, requesting that he refrain from hitting civilian targets and offering new electronic warfare equipment, as well as data on all of zato’s systems, garnished from the s.m.o.
most likely he suggested not using their most advanced missiles, so zato couldn’t collect data on them and saving them for a time, when their use wouldn’t just be a display of their capabilities. the ayatollah granted that request and russian and iranian cooperation was enhanced by their mutual actions. russia has helped in the development of their radars and sent yak 130 trainers to iran, as these planes can simulate several russian fighters, including the su-35 and su-57.
iran insists on technology transfers, in essence licencing their production in iran, this is what held up deliveries of the su-35. word has it 2 su-35’s were delivered in crates last december, if true this indicates they have a facility to assemble them. iran seems to be producing their own yak 130’s and outfitting them with missiles as fighters.
this is why trump is just bluffing and rattling his rusty saber, behind the scenes he has asked for the russians help in creating a new agreement with iran to handle their enriched uranium and it seems this is how the situation will be defused, allowing trump and the israelis to save face. this could be israel’s waterloo, for if they are forced into a peaceful solution, that would be the death knell of their ersatz israel project and the death of zionism.
if israel refuses they will eventually be destroyed economically and from internal schisms. if they decide to “finish them”, they will be finished by iran and her proxies, especially yemen. if the u.s. is unable to stop the houthis, how the hell could they expect to defeat iran?
The Orange b——d seems to be trying to emulate Bismark and Mao with regard to both Iran and Yemen…The “Blood and Iron” speech, given by Otto von Bismarck in 1862, is famous for its assertion that major political issues are resolved not through diplomacy and debate, but through military force. And Mao Tse-tung said in “On Protracted War” (May 1938) that “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”. This quote is often used to emphasize the importance of military power in achieving political goals.
Nine plane loads of bunker-busting bombs were shipped from the US to Israel. The munitions are intended to prepare Israel for a potential war with Iran.
“Nine US transport planes carrying bunker-busting bombs and other defensive weapons landed at Nevatim Airbase near Tel Aviv, in central Israel,” the Israeli broadcasting authority KAN reported. The outlet noted that Washington also sent additional interceptors for the THAAD air defense system to Tel Aviv. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eye-iran-us-sends-bunker-busting-bombs-israel
Trump’s opening gambit is no uranium enrichment, no ballistic missiles and no fraternizing with other members of the ‘arc of resistance’. Good luck with those impossible demands.
Meanwhile the latest UK task force led by the £3.5 billion pound aircraft carrier Prince of Wales has just left Portsmouth on a willy waving expedition to the South China seas hopefully to traverse the Taiwan Strait [poke the panda] What could possibly go wrong? Here’s one thought, the last Prince of Wales [a battleship] along with the repulse was sunk by Japanese aircraft early in WW2 in the South China Sea. Now the Chinese have unstoppable Mach 10 velocity hypersonic ballistic missiles, which US defence Sec said are capable of sinking all US aircraft carriers in 20 minutes. This task force will go through the Suez canal and sail up the Red sea, what? Methinks the Houthis will remember who bombed them recently. The bombastic UK leadership led by Starmer still thinks we rule the world, they all quote the .Rules based International order. boy are they in for a rude awakening?
Just to remind people about the state of the UK navy, here is an hilarious sketch of a UK Admiral talking with John Fortune….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0jgZKV4N_A
The asians are just as narcissistic able, your racism is showing. Probably the negroids too but there isn’t recent enough history that lends itself to conditions that are susceptible to narcissism.
> “Fattah means “Conqueror” in [Persian]”.
Not really. It is Arabic. In Persian the word for conquerer is Faateh. It’s obviously derived from the Arabic but it is the word that a Muslim Iranian military would use.
Fattah or Faateh?
Arab or Iranian?
Islamic or Muslim?
PressTV graphics department should hire competent people. and this generates a new set of questions
Nepotism or Meritocracy?
Fiction or Fact?
I forget whose blog this is but safe to assume one of the usual tur suspects, so buddy, you are doing the lord’s work as that G$ critter used to say … IRI’s survival is almost as important to the satanic plan as is Israel.
Set pieces. Clear to see for the discerning.
Maybe they don’t exist on your flat Earth but here in the real world the Japanese know different.
That depends on how many of them they throw at Iran. I mean say they launched 20 or more at them, how can Iran shoot all of them down?
Fire & fury
Inshallah.
5ds
Stealth is nice but not that important. Anyone can detect our stealth airplanes. They are stealthy from the front, but not from the back. The real key is advanced electronic warfare that disables attacking missiles. Can the B2 be shot down? This is an unknown, either to the US or their adversary.
Don’t tell me Iran can do all that but lacks the capability to wipe the genocidal sewer, Talmudic Naziland, off the map. And if Iran does possess that capability, which I suspect, why did you not mention that? For, as long as that cancerous sewer exists, the region will continue to be subject to chaos, death and destruction.
19 B2 bombers remain, some are in maintenance, so maybe 10-12 are available for a first strike. They can readily be detected with any lower frequency radar, or infrared detector. Is the B2 electronic warfare good enough to protect the B2? It would be more than embarrassing if all of them were shot down on the same mission.
All I know is, is if the U.S. is dumb enough to go nuclear, they haven’t learned jack shit from WWII. Because of how the U.S. handled that war, and what they did to Japan. Everyone have these weapons now. And the U.S. is part of the reason why other countries have them to begin with. So let’s say the U.S. is ignorant and mentally challenged enough to do it again. They just gave the green light for every other country to start throwing nukes out the ass, and that’s if they exist. I often see a lot of people online claim nukes are “hoaxes” and aren’t real. But I like to believe they are just coping with fear, refuse to admit they do exist. I mean these are terrifying as hell life on earth ending weapons.
American invincibility? Wasn’t to invincible in Vietnam was it…It is a myth and a false one at that…
More like Middle Eastern. It must be the Dunning-Kruger effect; low IQ, desert dwelling wastrels who think they are selected by the mythology they wrote to be a “chosen race”
23 comments so far, neither worth any response.
My Whitney, you could have a problem.
The article in general, and that paragraph above in particular are ridiculous for anyone who knows anything about such matters.
So, you have to make a decision:
1. You cater for certain audience (pure emotional trigger pushing for desperate for socializing). Quick, easy and does have a solid return. Majority of people ARE of that type.
The problem is, it fizzles out fast. They get their hit, type quick comment/reply and move on. They start looking for something similar somewhere else. You’d need to crank your production up.
2. You try to cater for that certain audience AND for that tiny minority who, could, actually, add something to discussion. That way the discussion won’t fizzle out quick and some people could actually engage rational brain and learn something.
Had you written, for example
or similar, that group from 2 could actually try to add a bit or two.
Perhaps something to think about?
and as usual, your comment, isn’t worth reading. thanks for sparing us, with an even more ignorant response to our comments. feel free to stop commenting all together, if your bored, no one will miss you.
Why bother? — lately Whitney’s writing is little better than tabloid fodder, and the average comment is at about the same level.
You have to wonder why Unz publishes garbage like this — and what doing so says about him.
I hear you.
Well, for me (why bother) some tech details from your comments were quite informative. And I am …hehe….quite sure we have vastly different approach to certain matters.
There was one guy here, totally abrasive fellow, BUT, he did know his stuff well. Quite versed in what’s pertinent to this issue, SEAD. Hehe…wouldn’t mind his comments: around 50 % of pure offense, almost at the level of local “Iranian/Houthis” anon morons, BUT, well, the other 50 %, gold. He really knew the topic.
My take, keywords: traffic, lowest common denominator, data acquisition analysis and exchange, segment influencing. Lowest common denominantor in particular.
The ruthless, hidden, war of online content creators and influencers. Clawing their share.
Add right anti-intellectualism and here we are.
At least no all those adds. For now, anyway.
Probably.
Maybe.
Doubtful, since there is no such thing as a global economic death spiral.
I like the author but, on this particular point, one doubts that the author has a clear mental image of the putative commercial catastrophe his apocalyptic language strains to invoke. The only thing that enters a death spiral here, unfortunately, is the author’s grasp of macroeconomics.
Didn’t he pretend to know ‘state secrets’ recently? lol
May cooler heads prevail.
Lol.
How many of these does Iran have? A handful.
What is the warhead on each? Not much.
What is the accuracy? Poor.
An MIT professor concluded that Iran needed 1000 missiles hitting Nevatim to cause significant damage.
Pure propaganda. Or else why are they begging Trump for mercy and shipping their uranium to our Kosher sealed Chabad man in Moscow.
Nice joke. But the eye Rainians aren’t laughing. They are shitting in their pants and selling their country out to another one of our Chabad men, Trump who gets his orders from our Lubavitcher Rebbe and pays his respects to the sublime Menachem Schneerson.
Or perhaps not. Sorry to burst another of your bubbles Whitney.
Why would the USA go nuclear against a 4th rate power like Iran? Get serious dude.
You see what the USA is doing in Yemen? That’s a warning to Iran.
Hey, Whitney is better than the garbage Giraldi puts out.
The Iranians could give the Jewish occupied cities of Palestine the Gaza treatment, but the Zionists would retaliate with nuclear weapons.
It is becoming hard to avoid the intuition that it is only a matter of time before Iran builds hundreds of mirved ICBMs with thermonuclear warheads.
And “the West” (the Jews!) will have only themselves to blame for pushing the Iranians to taking such a drastic measure.
The Americans could have had the Iranians eating out of their hands. But that would not be “good for Israel.”
The Germans built 6000 liquid fueled V2 rockets in only a couple years under heavy bombardment.
Solid fueled rockets are much cheaper to build, Iran has a large industrial base, and Iran has been building them for decades.
The US has been predicting the Russians would run out of missiles any day now.
The Iranian missiles will keep coming. Thousands upon thousands. It won’t stop. It won’t stop for months. Maybe not for years. Eventually, atomic, chemical, and biological weapons will inevitably be deployed by Iran if the US/Israel escalates severely enough.
I suspect the Iranians have tunnels everywhere, just like Gaza.
Iran has more than 200,000 missiles. Hezbollah has 120-200,000. The US and Israel combined have fewer than 10,000 defensive missiles in theater. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-stockpiles-missiles/
So what happens when the US and Israel run out of defensive missiles? The plan is to go nuclear. There are only 7, seven, Thaad missile systems in the US, 2, two! will be placed in Israel. There are only about 800 THAAD missiles in existence, how many will be placed in Israel? This is our defense against ballistic missiles, where it is estimated Iran has 400. THAAD is not reliable.
There is propaganda in the MSM stating very low numbers of Iranian missiles. This is to encourage a war against Iran. Ten years ago the MSM said Iran had 100,000 missiles. Iran will turn Tel Aviv into WWII Dresden. Just as in Dr. Strangelove, to Netanyahu it will be worth it.
“In other words, the Fattah-1 is unstoppable.”
The American Aegis system is capable of stopping hypersonic missiles as stated by Lockheeds V.P. already.
The American THAAD system is also specifically designed to stop hypersonic missiles.
That Iranians new missile just barely makes it into the hypersonic range at over 800 miles an hour. America’s newest hypersonic missiles are breaking mach FIVE. This is the equivalent of your toddler throwing a Lego at the fastest MBL pitcher in history 🙄
I have an herbal tonic that is 100% effective against hypersonic missiles. Trust me.
Aside from that business opportunity, it would be extremely ironic if Trump bumbled his way into getting Israel nuked, thus making him the best president in history.
There was no test of the Mig-29 avionics against the B-2 in Turkey. That Mig-29 was recovered the next day by the Soviets before any US technical crew could get there. Zuyev stayed, the Mig-29 went home.
I’m ready to meet my Maker.
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I can’t do anything about it 😪
Live one day at a time.
Enjoy the day and God bless 🙌 🇨🇦
An article from a few days ago giving some background on the B2:
https://southfront.press/military-knowledge-b-2-spirit-stealth-bomber/
That’s why the solid plants were specially targeted in the Israel/US response to Iran’s last attack.
Try to pay attention!
It takes a hypersonic missile to reliably shoot down a hypersonic missile (check AI). The US does not have a hypersonic missile. A previous CNO said we can not shoot down the Chinese hypersonic missiles, so must keep our carriers out of range of the missiles. Hegseth just said the same thing. Lockheed’s vp was smoking something. Yes the US is trying to adapt Aegis to shoot down hypersonic missiles but it is lame, especially when the hypersonic missile is in a glide phase.
When we discuss stealth, it is more the avionics than it is the shape of the airplane or its coatings. The enemy radar will think it is locked on the B2, but it is not, and the missiles will miss. Maybe.
Well, you, apparently did some reading up and are, for the moment, civil, so here is a reply. BTW, I’ll try once; if you don’t want/can’t get it we’ll skip each other from now on.
You think as tech civilian. I’ll use an analogy:
A guy wanting to kill you have the best knife there is. Pierces through all body armor. The guy himself has practiced with it a lot, he’s fast and smooth. You can’t, really, block/evade the attack. You are dead, aren’t you? It’s hopeless?!? Think about this for a moment………Done? Good.
If…IF…you thought, in 10 seconds:
Wait a minute; I can get a rifle and get the guy at 300 meters. I can get a shotgun and get the guy at 50 meters with slug and 20 meters with buckshot. I can get a handgun….crosbow….bow……spear…..rapier sword. Hell, I have money; I’ll pay a couple of connected guy to take care of the business. Etc.
You did think about the above? Continue.
All those missiles can be targeted in various ways BEFORE they get launched. From CiC systems to the crews sleeping in their quarters, and anything in between.
And, yes, even if some of those do survive the above AND get through defensive system AND hit something of importance there are those words: escalation and retaliation. Now, even without nuclear weapons who would get the worse of it? And, yes, if all the rest does fail (unlikely), USA will use a tactical nuclear weapon(s) to solve the problem.
I suggest think a bit before replying, write it down in word application, EDIT it carefully and then post it. Or not.
There are a lot of things regarding nuclear weapons that don’t make sense. I know we have the Nevada Test site and Alamagordo, where we are told that nuclear weapons were set off. We have lots of pictures and some sand that was turned into glass. There is also sand that has been turned into glass in places like Egypt where there is no history of nuclear technology. The best evidence we have is Hiroshima and the burned buildings and eyewitness accounts.
I was recently watching NHK (Japanese government TV) where they were showing the 80th anniversary of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki explosions. They were showing trees that survived the blast very close to point zero. I find it hard to believe that trees would survive such intense radioactivity and heat. When one looks at the after photos, bridges near point zero, made of metal or masonry survived the blast while anything made of wood burned. What always surprises me is that the famous domed building could survive a nuclear blast. Everything we’ve been told about nuclear blasts is that they produce temperatures in the millions of degrees and winds of thousands of miles per hour. I know the building has a steel or iron frame, but how could it survive such intensity? Picture of Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like the pictures of Dresden after the fire bombings. Very nasty but not nuclear.
How is it after 80 years, nobody has used them, no terrorists, no rogue nations, no lunatic leaders? With the breakup of the Soviet Union, no billionaire sheikh or private organization ever got their hands on them? We all know that Israel is absolutely batshit crazy and has been since 1947, we are told that they’ve had nuclear weapons since at least the 70’s, but even they’ve never used them. They kill everyone like it’s a sport and have been in many situations where the use of even a “mini” nuclear bomb would have been advantageous, but they don’t. Why is this? I know that some say that the bomb that destroyed the port in Lebanon a few years ago was a mini nuke, but if it were so, something would’ve come out by now. It was more likely an enormous fertilizer bomb. Nuclear radiation is hard to hide with modern technology.
Looking at Israeli psychology, if they have nuclear bombs, they would have used them by now to send a message to their enemies, we’re told that they’ve had the technology for fifty years. They’ve never signed any anti-proliferation treaties so they’re not bound by anything. A kid telling a bunch of other kids that he has a lion in his basement that he will sic on them only will be believed for so long. Knowing Israel has nuclear weapons has not deterred any other countries or groups from attacking them so what’s the whole point of the hint and the wink for the past 50 years? If Israel had nuclear bombs, they would’ve set one off out in the middle of the desert or the sea somewhere with international observers there to verify.
There is information all over the world, on how to make nuclear bombs, mechanically, it is quite achievable, if the Americans could do it in 1944, most third world nations could do it today. The hardest part is getting the enriched Uranium or Plutonium. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, how do we know none got out into the hands of some rogue terrorist groups? The Soviet Union broke up 35 years ago and nothing has happened. Even if the nuclear powers got all their muscle together and put detectors all over the world in 1989-91, some would’ve gotten through. No security is 100%. I’m sure Latin American drug gangs or middle eastern terrorists would’ve loved to have gotten even enough to make a dirty bomb at least, but we’ve not seen or heard anything.
The above is why myself and others really wonder if nuclear weapons are possible. Nuclear reactors yes, nuclear isotopes for cancer treatments and tracers, yes, but nuclear bombs, no. Convince me otherwise.
The alleged Hezbollah arsenal of tens of thousands of missiles didn’t amount to much when Israel was bombing Lebanon recently. Or did I miss something?
Sure Iran has already demonstrated they have capable missiles but I wonder if this article and other similar — are based more on wishful thinking than cold assessment.
I haven’t forgotten the disgusting Israeli pager attack, I think it’s fair to say it worked and they likely did huge damage to Hezbollah. What do they have in store for Iran?
That would be the attack they launched from maximum range, what 70 mi inside Iraq’s airspace because they were too scared to go any closer, and did limited damage to some patches of desert?
Do try to pay attention to something other than the crayon drool dribbling from your chin.
they are the premier tunnel builders in the world, soleimani oversaw the hamas tunnel system in gaza and the even larger systems of hezbollah in lebanon. so just imagine the labyrinth of tunnels they have deep in the mountains, that are completely unreachable by any bunker busters in the u.s. arsenal. they have been releasing missile city videos recently, that are quite amazing.
good comment, the only point i don’t agree with, is the atomic, chemical and biological part. the iranians didn’t use chemical weapons, even when saddam hussein used u.s. made and supplied chemical weapons against them. they simply don’t need them and image how they would be portrayed if they did?
>it is more the avionics
No.
Stealth is about reducing detectablity, and today stealth technology is almost entirely the physical design of the aircraft: shape of the fuselage, storage and release of munitions, placement and shielding of engines to reduce infrared emissions, coatings for radar absorption — these are the main determinants of stealth.
Regarding electromagnetic emissions, aircraft employ radar, and there are radar technologies that can be used to further help reduce detectablitiy.
Also mission planning, since turns and changes in altitude can increase detectability.
Let me put it this way: you can put a so-called low probability of intercept radar (LPIR) system in a conventional non-stealth aircraft, and plan its mission to avoid or limit turning and changes in altitude, but you will not have a stealth aircraft — it will still be routinely detectable by radar.
Whereas if you have an aircraft with well-designed physical stealth features, it won’t matter all that much if it has LPIR or not — due to its stealth design, it will still be much more difficult to detect than an aircraft with no physical (passive) stealth features.
No you didn’t.
Yep.
Serves the purpose, though.
Everything.
No, it’s probably not capable of stopping Iran’s Fattah-1 missile. The Fattah-1 missile is apparently designed to inflict an “energy defeat” on the interceptor missiles that will be fired against it. Hypersonic speed aside, the Fattah-1 (which is hypersonic) will be doing exo-atmospheric/high altitude pseudorandom maneuvering which will cause the interceptor missiles to have to keep changing course, which they will be doing at a lower altitude where the air density is higher, causing them to burn up all their fuel.
Yes – what you describe – isn’t that the exact way the Serbs were able to shoot down 2 smaller F117 stealth fighters? Studied the routes and then trained their anti aircraft batteries to shoot as soon as the weapons bays opened and allowed them to be seen by the old Soviet radars….
Hezbollah has rockets – not missiles. Huge difference. Hezbollah is a militia – not a real military…
And what do you mean? There is a reason the Israelis didn’t advance further into Lebanon…
No. We don’t have the means to take out a substantial number of their missiles before they are launched. Their missiles are mobile. I suggest you should carefully think before you post. Or not. Skipping is fine with me.
“Quantity has a quality all its own” . Iran has the quantity.
I politely disagree. Any of our stealth aircraft can readily be detected by the radar used at the Battle of Britain. They are stealthy to x-band radar, not other frequencies. Hitting those aircraft once detected is the hard part. 60 minutes Australia interviewed a Minister of Defense who said 5% of the JSF was classified as Top Secret. He said this 5% was so good they had to have it. Shape and coatings are simple. The stealth magic would be found in the advanced electronics and radars.
In Oct-November Israel bombed Beirut and leveled many buildings, even city blocks in Lebanon. More or less without serious response from Hezbollah. And it seems they are at it again. It doesn’t look like they fear any kind of serious payback from Hezbollah missiles.
End of conversation.
BTW, a bit of prep work, looks like it:
https://www.axios.com/2025/04/24/us-yemen-houthi-airstrikes-reapers
Securing left flank.
Live firing exercises. Proper approach for ironing out the kinks in the setup before the use.
This article is about hypersonic missiles. And Iran does not have many of these. It’s not about the fuel but mass production of the engines and the body of the missiles that must withstand the stresses in the atmosphere, and the materials needed to construct the.
Iran may have thousands of obsolete missiles.
People are deliberately misleading others by confusing the two.
I repeat, Iran does not yet have the ability to manufacture hypersonic in large quantities.
You’re unfortunately typical of much of the commentariat here: no matter how wrong you are, no matter that it was just demonstrated that you are wrong, your strong confirmation bias does not allow you to change your mind.
Consider the F-117 — development on that aircraft began in the 1970s — it first flew in 1981 — what was its singular feature? — its physical design — the shape of the fuselage and its faceted surfaces, the design of the wings and how they were integrated into the fuselage, the modified engines and their placement — it largely used existing avionics, which were not important at all to it being stealthy — avionics cannot make a plane sufficiently difficult to detect, it cannot be ‘more the avionics’ — to continue to claim that is absurd.
The same is true today: it isn’t ‘more the avionics’, it’s ‘more’ the physical design of the aircraft which makes it less visible to radar, which is the essence of stealth technology — without the physical design to reduce radar visibility, you have no stealth, it’s as simple as that.
The older missiles are not obsolete since Iran has over a ten to one advantage in offensive vs defensive missiles. There is no deliberate misleading here dumbass. I have seen varying estimates online of Iran having hundreds to thousands of their more advanced missiles. Iran certainly has proven they are capable of mass producing missiles, so it won’t be long before they have a lot more. But the result is the same, when US-Israel run out of defensive missiles.
Bye-bye gawd.
Hasbara … .
You are hilarious! By the way, the Serbs shot down the not so stealthy F117,
“I haven’t forgotten the disgusting Israeli pager attack”
Troll, calling it “disgusting” is a gauche attempt at dissimulation when this and all your posts I’ve seen reek of card-carrying genocide party membership. Don’t look at peterAUS for pointers — the same awkward attempts at appearing “objective.”
Nope, you did not miss anything. Israel penetrated Hezbollah and wiped out much of the command structure. The pager terrorism was also effective and was notable for the lack of international condemnation. The pager terrorism was also used in Syria to destroy Assad’s troops.
Iran made a lethal mistake when they failed to respond to Israel terrorism with Operation True Promise 3. They guaranteed their external threats and surprise attacks will continue.
The Iranians would take serious hits but they could conceivably win against the US/Israeli mafia. They simply don’t have the leadership or will to win. And yes, I’m talking NBC weapons in the exchanges and preemptive strikes. Iran will never be safe until they take out the bullies and the corrupted Arabs serving those bullies.
I don’t believe Russia will get involved based on their conduct in Syria. China could be a different story. China and Iran could wipe out the US/Israeli threat in days.
You remind me of a fellow from some other forum, so here it is:
My take:
The issue goes way beyond “strong confirmation bias”. Into certain…traits…of human nature.
No need to analyze it; simply recognize it and prompty act. BTW, it’s getting more prevalent online,so pays to have the process down.
I suggest “spam” method you certainly have in your mail program(s). Or how you deal with your junk mail in your physical mailbox.
BTW, re that 117, are you familiar with that case? Do you know the full story about it? The work done by that Lt Col and especially that Senior Sargeant? How it all worked and, maybe even more interesting, what happened to those two fellows afterwards? Curious…..
The article is about development too, a lesson in avionics history. As I understand it stealth is not exactly invisible, just difficult to target. Supposedly stealth missions happen alongside conventional attacks and electronic warfare and jamming which serves as “noise” to make the defender’s task more difficult. As I remember the F-117 that was shot down by Serbia was supposed to use other attacks as cover but a lot of them were cancelled at the last minute because of bad weather.
I agree. Many people have seen our stealth airplanes using different types of radars. The shape and coatings provide a reduction in radar cross section in the x-band frequency range, but not in other frequency ranges. Missiles attacking an airplane traditionally have used x-band radar location of the target as the most accurate. The JSF was in development for what seemed like forever. The airframe was the easy part. The electronics and software were the important parts of the project, with an airframe stuck on them. JSF went far beyond the limited capabilities of the F117. Since it is classified, the JSF secret technology won’t be known, but I am convinced it is very impressive, whatever it is. Now the Air Force is growing the JSF engine to provide more cooling. An article I read seemed it was about three times the original cooling. The only thing I can think of that would require that much more cooling are directed energy and laser weapons.
The only country and people to be destroyed are the parasitic joos. The world would be a better place.
When this is over, the joo will have no where to hide. (((They))) will face aggression from any place of decency.
If iran puts nookers on israel, then iran dies, too.
First, not all Jews are wicked. Second, we must not fight Judeonazism by Judaic methods. Third, such threats of exterminism give the Judeonazis the excuse they want to execute their ‘Final Solution for the Goy Problem’, so that ALL Jews may ‘feel safe’ everywhere, forever.
Not likely. If the jews and Americans fuck off and lift the sanctions, Iran’s GDP would double, like it did from 2002-2011 before heavy sanctions were slapped on the country. Iran’s current GDP ppp is 1.7 trillion and it would probably exceed 3 trillion in decade if the sanctions were lifted. this would be a huge boost to the popularity of the regime, which currently has a higher approval rating than trump does. the biggest cause of discontent among the population is the economic situation caused by the sanctions. when Rouhani managed to get some sanctions lifted in 2015 by signing the jcpoa, his approval rating shot up and passed 70%.
the youth movement you mention is small and confined to westernized elites in a few posh suburbs of tehran and other major cities. they do not represent the majority of Iranians. the Islamic republic has a huge popular base, mostly middle and lower class Iranians, who have benefited most from its policies. the Iranian middle class doubled to 30% after the revolution, millions were lifted out of absolute poverty and into the working class, and are maintained there by government welfare programs. the literacy rate (including female literacy) doubled within one generation. Iranians are aware of this, and are aware that the economic hardships they face are imposed by hostile foreign powers who oppose Iran’s support for the Palestinians. the Iranian people voted in the Islamic republic with a 98.2% mandate, one of the largest in history. It is one of the many delusions of low IQ white people like you that others will so willingly give up what they’ve fought so hard for, just to blindly follow your values (which are not universal) into the abyss of nihilism and degeneracy they’ve lead you to.
Actually, Serbian Army figured out their weakness, and brought down another 117 [1], but that is not talked about much, as that one fell outside of Serbia’s territory, thus easy to hide.
Single hit would have been considered a fluke, a lucky shot so to speak, but once the second one got hit, USA AF paused their use!
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P.S. There are rumors that Serbian Army sank even one US aircraft carrier stationed in the Adriatic Sea, but that is yet to be confirmed. Perhaps, after Serbian people free their country from the Western yoke, its military archives will be opened!
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[1] Former F-117 Pilot Confirms The Serbian Air Defenses Second Hit On American Stealth Fighter During Operation Allied Force | Fighter Jets World:
https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/former-f-117-pilot-confirms-the-serbian-air-defenses-second-hit-on-american-stealth-fighter-during-operation-allied-force/24191/
[2] #019: F-117, A-10, F-18, F-4 &…–The Afterburn Podcast – Apple Podcasts
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/019-f-117-a-10-f-18-f-4-warbird-pilot-lt-col-ret/id1496428378?i=1000500092572
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Ltcol Rollins Dixon F-117 Weapons system chief shares details about F-117 Nighthawk
The successful shootdown of a U.S. Air Force F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter over Yugoslavia in 1999 quickly became well known as the only successful attack on a manned stealth aircraft using the surface to air missiles.
You might have heard about the U.S. Air Force’s F-117 Nighthawk stealth attack jets came to be shot down over Serbia during Operation Allied Force on March 27, 1999. The loss of “Vega 31” and the subsequent recovery of pilot Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko. What’s less well known is that another F-117 was hit by a Serbian air defense system during that same campaign, but details of what happened have only recently become available.
In the latest edition of The Afterburn podcast, which you can listen to in full here [2], retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Charlie “Tuna” Hainline, a former F-117 pilot, confirms what had, for many years, been a rumor: that a second stealth jet was hit by the Serbians, but managed to return to base. While noting that much about the incident in Allied Force remains classified, he still provides some fascinating details of what appears to be a previously unconfirmed event.
Retired U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Charlie Hainline confirmed on an episode of The Afterburn podcast that a second F-117 had been neutralised from the ground.
“I kind of looked to my right over Belgrade, and [saw] this huge missile coming up – it looks like a Saturn V thing,” Hainline recalled. “I knew my number two guy was over there somewhere. Then I see another launch – this big glow, and even from that far away you can see a lot of detail. The plume, the smoke going, and then just this ball of fire coming up towards you … As I’m heading towards this target, one missile explodes and the other one kind of goes up into space.”
Hainline reportedly lost track of his wingman until the aircraft reappeared at a tanker rendezvous with all lights off and unable to match the speed of the tanker to refuel.
“His airplane wasn’t in really good shape,” the officer recalled, with the heavily damaged F-117 eventually limping back to base.
Hainline’s efforts to ensure his wingman made it home safely were rewarded with the Distinguished Flying Cross, a commendation for “heroism or extraordinary achievement while participating in an aerial flight.”
The shootdown is thought to have taken place on April 30th, 1999, and the damaged stealth fighter war irreparable and had to be immediately retired from service.
As the F-117 was a twin-engine design, using the same configuration of dual F404 engines as the U.S. Navy’s F-18 Hornet fighters, it could survive many kinds of hits and the loss of an engine and still return to base intact.
This benefit of twin-engine jets is one of the key reasons why the U.S. Navy for years refused to deploy single-engine designs and a reason why Russia today fields no single-engine fighters despite aircraft with single engines usually being much easier to maintain and cheaper to operate.
The destruction of a second F-117 fighter is one of several suspected Yugoslav hits against NATO aircraft using air defences from the 1960s or earlier with modernised electronic warfare systems, which when also considering the poor state of the country’s defences during a state of effective civil war reflects poorly on how NATO air units would have fared against a modern Soviet air defence force orders of magnitude larger and several decades ahead in terms of sophistication. With the F-117 being considered by far the most survivable Western fighter in the world, the implications of its loss to very meagre defences were serious.
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Looks like u’ are aching to get Iran’s “Fattah-1”, the accurate hypersonic missile up your sorry kike ass Looser or was it Looger🤣
Shia Muslims have never been afraid to die for a noble cause. Martyrdom is the highest honour for them. If it means taking out the Jewish apartheid state and their wahabbi collaborators and driving America out of the Middle East the price might be well worth it to them. Besides, israel doesn’t have enough nukes to totally wipe Iran out, it’s a large country of 100 million people and Israel barely has 90 warheads. On the other hand, even a dozen or 2 Iranian nukes would be enough to wipe israel off the face of the earth, it’s a tiny shit stain of a country.
They bombed civilian areas. When the IDF got on the ground to go in and fight hand to hand – they took serious causalities – hence the ceasefire.
But maybe you don’t understand that Hezbollah is a defensive militia and not an offensive army. They aren’t really the type that attack civilian targets. Why would they want all Lebonese to be bombed?
For the record – Hamas is still in Gaza. Read overseas news. Same thing. When IDF gets on the ground they take causalities. Hamas is still putting out videos of themselves attacking Israeli convoys in Gaza. Bombing from planes and using stand off missiles can’t win wars by itself. Hasn’t the U.S. issues taught that? But again – neither Hamas nor Hezbollah are actual militaries in a modern sense
I believe the F117 is more stealthy than the F35 — is it not?
I hope not, as the F117 was shot down. If you only consider X-band frequency radar, it may well be more stealthy, as far as presenting a smaller radar image. Neither is stealthy to thermal detection, or other frequency radars. Seeing it is one thing, hitting it is another. I believe the JSF creates a false radar image, that is not at the JSF location, so enemy radar is locking on this false image. There is no getting around thermal detection, but thermal detection by itself is probably not accurate enough to hit the JSF, which would detect the oncoming thermally guided missile, and maneuver away from a hit. We won’t really know if the JSF can survive until the JSF is tested against advanced air defenses. What have the Russians and Chinese come up with?
In the 40+ years since the revolution irans demographics turned completely upside down. A similar thing happened to Brazil and the two countries are of a similar magnitude in population, both birth rates plummeted, and both featured a population movement from rural towards cities. These are the kinds of changes which we in the west went through 100+ years ago (more or less depending on the country).
Revolution-era Iran was a decadent Tehran being surrounded by a sea of islam and poor peasants. You can find elements of that if you look specifically for it today but in reality it’s shifted a lot.
Yes there is (as always) an astroturf, western-backed “resistance” movement but that’s not worth discussing as there has been MUCH MORE direct, political, backchannel military (involving the high treason of former US presidents), FOR the islamists all the way from before the revolution to at least the 2010s. Rafsanjani was still a fixture in Iranian politics until his death, he was the top-ranking Iranian in the Iran-Contra network from 40 years ago.
I never claimed anywhere that Iran is moving towards the west in any, fucking . way. you. fucking. liar.
Iran’s simply changed since the revolution and having the USA invade its eastern and western neighbors, having israel blow shit up inside the place and assassinate people, and have constant beligerence and threats, simply does more to buoy the iranian islamist regime than it ever could to… “weaken” it.
THe fact is that you can see change slowly over time and the hard lines they used to take are simply gone. Reformists have been entering politics slowly and even the ones the legacy media refers to as “madmen” are by comparison to ayotollah komeini, simply nowhere near as hardline.
So they support the Palestinian cause – lots of people do, even in our own countries. It’s becoming a worldwide faultline. To the mideast peoples it’s not just religious, it’s also a colonial invasion.
Biy are you a fucking liar – “blindly follow your values”
WHERE DO YOU GET THIS SHIT FROM?
Stop lying – this is pathetic, sad, and ceased being funny 20 posts ago.
No one is buying this.
You are on a solo quest against truth and reality. I know you think you’re just focusing on “low iq white men” but you are simply confirming everything that we all know for sure.
haha ha haha ha hahaha ha haha haha haha! Iran, lethal, deadly, unstoppable? ha ha ha ha ha haha haha haa!
its always funny watching you cry like the cry baby white looser you are.
Lie.
Keep crying, booger
The prime reason for the continued genocidal Gaza Holocaust is religious. Satan’s Yahoo declared Gazans to be ‘Amalek’ so, according to Judaic doctrine, the Gazans MUST be slaughtered ‘…down to the last suckling babe’. NUMEROUS Judeonazi psychopaths, inside Israel and in the Diaspora, have made it plain that slaughter is the aim. Needless to say, many, many decent, human, Jews are opposed to the genocide-the so-called ‘self-hating Jews’.
How about their submarines?
Probably capable of a first strike against a coastal city.
Hopefully Israel comes through on its threats to nuke Canada. They were reported by major newspapers like the national post to be doing this behind closed doors some 20 years back.
It’d be a great way for Canada to decouple itself from the joooo.
Millions of dead brown immigrants would even convince the liberals (from their faraway cottages) that jooooos are bad, m’kay?
Can’t find the articles but eh I don’t care that much if anyone else remembers.
Cue “cry white man” throwing a deranged hissy fit…