I had understood that Argentinians and Italians had a sort of revolving door citizenship arrangement, but no more.

I blame democracy for this. Only in a democracy (including in “Constitutional Republics”) can a country be ruled for decades by people who never get anything good done and who are disapproved by absolute majority of the population no matter who gets elected.

I always found it peculiar how citizenship by descent laws manage to survive in many European countries. Of course it made sense historically as the redrawing of borders was not uncommon in Europe. But in the modern era anything that implies an ethnic basis to the state draws frothing-at-the-mouth wrath from the liberals.

It would take someone as insightful and ruthless as Hitler to undo the damage done to Europe and America through immigration that is designed to replace the White populations. Politics won’t fix it because the government, the courts, and the politicians are by and large under the control of the people who want mass immigration and the destruction it brings. Look how a few Marxist judges are keeping Trump from even deporting terrorists and violent illegal gang members. You would literally have to round up the people behind this at all levels, prosecute them as traitors, and publicly hang them while using massive force to deport or kill people by the tens of millions who refuse to leave.

One man or woman alone cannot achieve anything, there must be a widespread knowledge and awareness in the society about the happenings. Before the media came by, people were not used to intentional disinformation and propaganda. The western media has succeeded beyond belief in keeping people confused and disoriented. The rise of a populist leader who is aware of what is going on in his society and who also has a course of action planned, is henceforth extremely difficult.

The western media has succeeded beyond belief in keeping people confused and disoriented.

Substitute jew media for western media and you are there.

In somewhat related news, the papist cult just elected an even bigger faggot than Bergoglio to be their new cult leader. Who could have predicted it?

Robert Pervost, aka Pope Leo XIV, is an American pederast whose only claim to fame seems to be covering up the crimes of his fellow pederasts in the pederastic papist cult.

It’s safe to say the goal is not only displacement of whites, but torturing and impoverishing them as well, just as the Bolshevik ancestors of today’s Jewish elite did to tens of millions of Christians only a century ago and whose grandchildren are doing in Gaza today.

The author mentions bringing in Nigerians, which is no different than shipping in criminals to prey on white society. The elites’ enduring war of hatred against the Church has been widened into homicidal hatred of whites. The hatred for America and Europe is because they’re still mainly white.

In America, this hatred and loathing for white society and American culture has been concentrated in a single person, Donald Trump, in whom all evil is concentrated because the left perceives him to be the representative of white America. As a result we see the Democrats, TV News, public broadcasting, and most universities glorifying these vicious illegal gang members because they were brought here to destroy America, while anyone who defends or celebrates America is accused of being a racist. Funny thing how it’s the same in Europe, too.

Very true about modern democracy which is nothing but a farce. Also as far as the great replacement is concerned relating to niggers, arab sand-niggers, jews, spics in America chinks less so, but did the african niggers get replaced in sub-saharan africa? No. Did the sand-nigger arabs get replaced in Arabia in Asia? No. Did the jews get replaced in their rump state of israhell? No. Did the Hindus get replaced in India? No. Did the Chinese get replaced in China? No. Did the Mexicans get replaced in Mexico? No. Did the Cambodians get replaced in Cambodia? No. So the question arises where did this bullshit notion that Europeans, Americans (who men of European lineage founded this country) Canadians (same as America), Australians (same as America), New Zealand (same as America founded by European men) should get replaced by 3rd world shit! These 3rd world shits have their own countries where there are probably very little Western men living in them or want to live in them. So let them go live in their own god-damn countries. And also fuck the baby-boomer bullshit we are all the same crap. Also importing 3rd world crap to stay economically competitive. Are you kidding me!

Obviously giving any and every moron the vote and therefore a say in who will run a country is a really bad idea, especially in the era of mass media, which has a tremendous influence on a huge fraction of those likely to vote — no organization I’ve ever been a part of operates that way.

But regarding the reality of migration happening today, more immediate and relevant is the idiotic, counterfactual, and ultimately malevolent dogma of racial egalitarianism, alongside the blanket taboo on recognizing the reality of irremediable biological differences between the races — both reign throughout the West, preventing the establishment of rational, sensible policy that would prevent the influx of incompatible racial aliens, who in an economic context also represent vastly inferior human capital.

In one of the links Striker gives is this passage:

In addition, the full confirmation of that model of ‘reluctant openness’ that has characterized the Italian approach to immigration, combining irregularity as the main route of access with an almost complete overlook of other important dimensions like migrants’ integration.

A constant in all discussions about migration in Europe is how to ‘integrate’ the migrants, as if an average migrant has the same potential as the average European, and it’s just a question of ‘integration’ — pretty much every country in Europe has a large bureaucracy dedicated to this self-destructive, Sisyphean task.

Imagine what they would do to someone who presented the race issues honestly, promised to do something about it, and was a legitimate threat to become President. They would not just try to put him in prison or shoot him as with Trump. They would use a drone strike, kill him and his entire family and claim it was a gas line explosion.

Meloni, like Trump is controlled opposition. She does what her globalists (Jews) puppet masters tell her to do: flood the country with non-white to replace and dilute the white population (aka genocide).

Just look what she does on the Palestinian genocide and how she lick zionist boots at all times and you’ll know who she really serves. Italian got conned, they are not the only ones.

As for Salvini, this clown is the worst turncoat of all times in Italy. Just remember what he did during the covid coup: he collaborated with the covidists, the totalitarian mock ‘government’ of the time and his unelected banker PM. Salvini was a strong supporter of vax passports and all the other abuses.

People really have a short and selective memory when it comes to political scum.

However, I will follow and maybe go to Milan for the Remigration Summit. This is one of the solution to save our nations (along with removing traitors like Meloni and Salvini from power).

Look, if you take a gallon of white paint and mix in a pint or more of brown paint, the white coloring will nearly disappear, replaced by a melded brown coloring, depending on how much brown you mixed in. This is the future coloring of the human race.

You are decades to centuries too late to prevent this from happening.

It will take unimaginable savagery to take Europa back.
Good bye Western civilization.

For God’s sake, how can you call Flanders’ Vlaams Belang, Portugal’s Chega, Alternativ Für Deutschland, and other New Right populist groups “activists”? These entities are not activists, they are far from it. These barbaric entities are dirty racist Neo-Nazis. I am of Italian origin, born and raised in Brooklyn, NY. As far as Italy is concerned, it was an African nation occupied since 7 BC (the rise of the Neo-Babylonian Empire) by white Europeans of French and Spanish origins. Therefore, Africans have the right (like the Palestinians in Palestine and American Indian in the U.S.) to live in Italy, not the other way around. So, va a fanculo.

My great grandparents on my father’s side all immigrated from Italy. More importantly, my great grandfather, who lived in the US from the time of his arrival until his death, never naturalized, that is, he never became an American citizen. Therefore, his son, my grandfather, born in the US, was also an Italian citizen as well as a US citizen, as was my father, as am I. Three or four years ago my brother pursued this avenue and SUCCESSFULLY OBTAINED Italian citizenship. The Italian consulate in Philadelphia made him jump through significant hoops, insisting on proof that my great grandfather Rosario actually lived with my grandfather Amadeo. My brother, aware that they had lived in the Italian section of Philly, a very significant neighborhood at the time, did the needle in the haystack search through the 1900 and 1910 Censuses and actually found the record. Names were misspelled, of course, but it was good enough for the Italian consulate.

He has informed me that because of the Italian government’s continued bowing to the immigration agenda of Europe, myself, our other siblings, as well as our children, will not have the opportunity to gain citizenship because of the jus sanguinis law.

Italy was a democracy even when it had no immigrants 50 years ago.

I remember Italy in the mid 1970s when it was still Italian. I did see one Egyptian in Florence, a dope dealer; a half caste in Naples, and a community of Africans in Genoa, probably stowaways. The only foreigners were White tourists from the rest of Europe, America and Australia. Never saw any subcontinentals. These days … forget it, a disaster, a catastrophe, an immigrant apocalypse.

more controlled opposition as others have stated; a puppet controlled by AU US UK-Oh You Suck

Italians are a duplicitous people.

They’re conduct in both of the last century’s world wars shows this.

Italy let gave practically ANYONE It citizenship. “Descent” citizenship” in Italy is a big racket. Or “golden” visa pay to play bs.

Great great great grandma was mamma mia-great news!! don’t speak the language fluently, don’t know its’ history, culture, etc etc, no problem—but you like the pizza and yo speaka with yo hands withe dees dems and doos accents like cousin Vinny?

come in get, sign a few papers by a shyster lawyer, and now you’re “European”.

Many USians also present “EU” passports, cannot speak a lick of the local language, yet because of descent bullshit, are wellcomed in some EU countries.

Mamma mia. Onward and downward.

Separation and Balkanization of black/brown immigrants to Europe is a disaster as it inevitably will lead to civil war.
Assimilation/Integration of black/brown immigrants is also a disaster as it inevitably will lead to the destruction of national genetic continuity.

The only answer is to not let the bastards in in the first place.

All I can say is whites allow it to happen. Plus I can’t believe this cock sucker is still running Italy. I’ve always wanted her to get raped by multiple nigs with aids and then they slash her sorry throat afterwards. I can’t stand these fucking leaders. And all I can do is pray for something horribly bad to happen to all them by their own policies. But it never does, that’s why Merkel walked away unharmed by her policies that fucked over Germany than it already is.

“Meloni, like Trump is controlled opposition.
… People really have a short and selective memory when it comes to political scum.”

Projections, projections! … controlled opposition … short and selective memory… .

Are you describing yourself? What brought Trump up? Really.

Jews, you mean.

I’m usually suspicious of non-Italians reporting on Italia. That said, Mr. Striker has done fine job with his article. The contents are an accurate description of what is presently happening in Italia. The paragraph that begins with “The origin of the problem … ” is particularly observant and germane.

I would have appreciated Mr. Stiker mentioning that Italia’s biggest problem (that goes back to the very foundation of the nation in 1861) is its complete lack of sovreignity. The country and its citizens have been a colony of the USofAs since 1945 and is completely supine when it comes to the larcenous European Union for decades. Before presenting her list of ministers to President Mattarella, Meloni paid a visit to the American Embassy in Roma. That says it all.

The commenters in large majority reveal their cluelessness as regards the situation in Italia (and for that matter, Europe). They are simply seizing the opportunity to spout out their ignorant white suprematism.

So far the only comment worth considering is #12 posted by anon[144] • Disclaimer. Kudos.

“Additionally, the regulatory change has also made it difficult for the children of native-born Italian parents who live abroad to obtain citizenship, potentially making them stateless”.

What a stupid and false remark. They would never be stateless, but citizens of the country where they were born.

It is simply unbelievable to assert that even the most humane persons will not feel some unease at seeing their communities swamped by humans of startling different appearance. But people get on pretty well, so long as the newbies grow gradually, with assimilable numbers. But when, as in Ireland, the ethnic make-up is overturned in a few years, it is untenable, and everyone knows it.
Even worse is when the newcomers are of different behaviour, habits and customs. Where women walk about in sacks, with even their faces covered, it is an insult to the society. Let alone those that practise female genital mutilation and other acts. Where women are kept immured in the home, the society is being discombobulated-to what end? If an Irishman moved to Saudi and demanded the right to parade in shorts, bare-chested and pissed, it would not go down well, and so much less hundreds of thousands of inebriated Paddys.

And these are the good times. When economic and ecological collapse hits, the social discord will be horrific.

Meloni had a brief sex scandal around election time when she supposedly dumped her bf for asking her to join him in a threesome. If she was actually a swinger that could be what they’re using to blackmail her.

Actually I don’t care if people look different, it’s how they behave. Also if few in number they tend to moderate their behaviour by watching the locals and trying to emulate them. When in large numbers, then they just behave like at home with no consideration for the local norms. Consider also that in many countries it was normal for women to walk alone at night unmolested and unharassed, until … the invasion. Now they have to stay locked up in their homes in fear of going out … and in fear of a home invasion. How is it possible that this was allowed?

Unsurprisingly, Eric Striker nailed it.
He gives the impression of being one of the few highly intelligent men who manage to uphold their integrity.

“The Italian populist right’s commanding victory has produced skin-deep symbolic victories in the fight against immigration, but in executed policy it has been responsible for accelerating the problem. Once the votes were counted, the emphasis was shifted to the legalistic issue of irregular migration, with elected officials brazenly dismissing the spirit of the people’s grievance: too many Asians and Africans in Europe.”

Definitely an accurate observation about the situation in my country, Sweden, as well.

I’m waiting for a couple of jigaboos to land in my small home town of 300. The Second Coming of our Lord should happen when that occurs.
I wonder what the mayor would call me then? He called me ‘racist’ when as a visitor I expressed my concern with the influx of Third Word scum into Italy.
Meloni and Salvini should be hung upside down for sucking up to the Rothschilds and all their descendents. What a disgrace.

An Italian friend of mine returned to Italy for vacation after 50 years. His sleepy mountain village and small rowns long the Adriatic are over run with niggers and assorted moslems.

Fifty years ago the only black thing you saw were the dresses of widows and old women, Now a white face is slowly becoming a wonder.

Its the same in Sicily.

All the ills of these immigrants come with them. Crime, prostution, feuds, slums and trash flung everywhere. And of course, clever Italians and Sicilians utilize negro labour at slave wages for those looking to get a nest egg and return to Africa.

In another 100 years Africa will be empty and Europe will be dindoo, and in ruin !

The entire article is false. Immigration to Italy has dramatically diminished with Meloni and Salvini, in spite of the efforts of marxist judges.

It happened even quicker than that. The Italians had palmed off the flood of niggas to Germany, France and the rest of the North, but that stopped around 2010-13. Coincidentally, with the destruction of Libya by the Anglo-Judaic Empire the brown flood really took off. But it wasn’t a coincidence, it was a fukkin plan. ✡️ 😡

Agreed but hey, revolution HAS to happen or else I’m just going to be resigned to waiting for the Second Coming.

This is farcical. In 1971 U.K. introduced an Immigration Act at behest of EEC which it was to join in 1972 simply because there were 1000,000,000 British Passport holders in former empire and a new category had to be introduced „Holder has Right of Abode in U.K.“ to distinguish British Subjects entitled to live in U.K. from the Rest

Now we have Italy and Portugal and Ireland dishing out passports and other EU countries selling them

Based on what you say, it sounds less of a scandal than morally sound decision, although as you point out being compromised is the sine qua non for holding public office in the West. She might have remembered the story about one of the FBI’s top agents, the one in charge of the faked Whitmore kidnapping, who beat the shit out his wife—sending to the the hospital, as I recall—for not joining him in a threesome with another homo.

It would take someone as insightful and ruthless as Hitler to undo the damage done to Europe and America through immigration…

Not even Hitler could save us. It’s been too late for a long time now.

Blood, literal blood in the streets was [past tense] the only way out, and white Americans had neither the sense to realize that nor the spine to act on if they had.

We can blame no one but ourselves for this unimaginable catastrophe.

You would literally have to round up the people behind this at all levels, prosecute them as traitors, and publicly hang them while using massive force to deport or kill people by the tens of millions who refuse to leave.

“…the people behind this…”

That’s us.

Trump’s recent Win attributed to Latin & Asian voters.
Marco Rubio a result of a Cuban immigrant influx,whiuch was hugely unpopular in South Florida at the time.

Yep…at the time.

How many dwell on the takeover of indigenous Indian lands during USA Thanksgiving ‘celebration’?

Time has gone on, unfolding consequences.

Daddy, who ever heard of racial suicide? The whites, little Johnny, the whites.

Meloni has gone out of its way to actively show a preference for non-white migrants.

She no doubt prefers them in bed as well.

…frothing-at-the-mouth wrath from the liberals….

..socialists?

I will not understand why people expect to get any different results by electing politicians whose lives are indicative of the disaster they will create.

Merkel was childless. This woman is in her late 40s with one child with a man she never married. Macron is a similar disaster.

Follow their examples and Europe will be extinct with or without immigration.

Its female feelie and lowIQ peoples democracy.

So the question arises where did this bullshit notion that Europeans… should get replaced by 3rd world shit!

Socialists of European descent (Jews/non-Jews) are the ones who import non-Europeans into European/Western socities, in order to destroy/undermine the richest societies/countries, i.e. eat the rich.

[ ] for those looking to get a nest egg and return to Africa.

Have you been living under a rock for the last half-century?
When the harvest season is over they are ferried to the Austrian border –
let the “potato-eaters” deal with them (It´s not like the Spaniards are doing
it any differently).

How many dwell on the takeover of indigenous Indian lands during USA Thanksgiving ‘celebration’?

Several hundred thousand.

Onward and downward.

Thanks, Chaskinss. That’s authentic TUR commenter word wizardry. Appreciate muchly!

“Wherever they went, the Jews threw open to them the gates of the principal cities”

William Thomas Walsh, Isabella of Spain: The Last Crusader (New York: McBride & Co., 1930), p. xvi

Protestantism was an early color revolution, like the “Maidan Uprising”, and was meant to divide and subvert Christ’s True Church, the Catholic Church, which built Western Civilization and unified disparate European peoples through pro omnia gloria Dei.

From E. Michael Jones’ The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit (p. 266-267) [brackets are mine]:

“Luther was a philo-Semite, who in a few years would become a violent anti-Semite, but he was also a Judaizer malgre lui [involuntarily]. Luther did for Christianity what Jochanan ben Zakkai did for Judaism: he turned the evangelical Church into a debating society, in which the evangelical rabbis would offer competing interpretations of scripture with no way of adjudicating differences other than splitting off from whomever one disagreed with.”

“According to [Heinrich] Graetz [in his The History of the Jews (Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society of America, 1894)], ‘The discussion aroused by the Talmud created an intellectual medium favorable to the germination and growth of Luther’s reform movement.’

[Graetz] apparently shared Luther’s view that the enemy of his enemy was his friend. Graetz supports the Reformation because he sees it as bringing Enlightenment to North Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Prussia, Poland, France and ‘even Spain, the country of the darkest and most bigoted ecclesiasticism and the home of persecution”

Then with the Catholic Church serious weakened and out of the picture, the mortal sin of usury was now the main weapon in the mopping-up decimation of Europe.

“Taking him to a high mountain, the devil showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. ‘I will give you all these,’ he said, ‘if you fall at my feet and worship me’.” (Luke 4:8-10).

“In 1773, Meyer Rothschild met with twelve other wealthy financiers and convinced them that by working together they could control the world revolutionary movement. They could foment wars and revolutions and finance both sides, thereby driving governments on both sides into debt and into dependence on them. This had already happened to some extent through successful manipulation in England. The international moneylenders had financed the removal of the Stuarts, and had put William of Orange on the throne of England in 1689 as William III. In return, William had given the secret moneylenders, who had backed his expe-dition, a royal charter in 1694 to set up the Bank of England. It looked like the nation’s bank, but it was privately owned by anonymous international money men. The new king gave them gold and enormous power over England. In an article in the English newspaper, The Sunday Observer, of Sunday May 22nd, 1988, under the heading: ‘The Hunt For A Royal Scoop,’ it was claimed that at last the identity of the main backer is revealed. It was Francisco Lopes Suasso, described as ‘The richest Dutch Jew of his time.’ It was stated that he once hired the Dutch fleet under Admiral de Ruyter to fight for Spain. Old bank ledgers of the Wisselbank of Amsterdam, now in the city archives, reveal a total of 1.5 million guilders—the biggest transaction in the ledgers—traceable to William. Certainly if Suasso money did not finance the expedition it ‘financed the new King of England soon after.’ According to this article, ‘The Lopes Suasso family (bankers to William III) Exhibition was held in June 1988 in the Jewish museum of Amsterdam.’

So the so-called glorious revolution of 1688 was anything but a spontaneous English movement against the Stuarts and “Popery.” It was in its essence the financial ruling sect of Jewry mainly…”

From Make Yourself An Ark! by Father Andrew O’’Brien (transcript of talks given in 1992 in Dalgan, Ireland) https://archive.org/details/make-yourself-an-ark-andrew-o-brien_20201031

Wilders, Meloni, Trump…………..these are the populist government leaders we are permitted to have.

Its the same in Sicily.

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I don’t get it. Where’s the part of the article where you talk about yourself and how smart you are and how you’re right about everything, that everyone copies you, how you are the biggest victim in history, how you hate white women, you have the best taste in music and also everyone should give you money? Clearly you aren’t a right winger, you didn’t even mention COVID once!

Europe is finished, that’s all I know. The only people who would defend against an invasion like this is Africans. If a bunch of whites tried to flood into Africa and started taking over, raping the women, trying to conquer them, etc. They would fight to the death to defend their continent no matter how shitty it is to live anywhere on it. But they also don’t have leaders over there encouraging the annihilation of their own kind or trying to replace them with outsiders in the first place. The fact that a small band of nation wrecking individuals can convince 80% of the world to commit suicide makes me feel heavily disgusted with humanity. This is why I want something tragic to happen to the likes of Meloni so it can set an example out of her ass.

When Europe was devoted to omnia pro gloria Dei, it built beautiful cathedrals and cities and made beautiful art. When it turned its devotion to omnia pro gloria Dollar, it torn it all down.

“It remains a fact, says the Jewish Encyclopedia, ‘that the Jews, either directly or through their correligionists in Africa, encouraged the Mohammedans to conquer Spain… Wherever they went, the Jews threw open to them the gates of the principal cities, so that in an incredibly short time the Africans were masters of all Spain.’ ” [p. xvi]*

“… Everywhere the Spanish Jews opened the gates of cities to the conquerors, and the Moslems rewarded them by turning over to them the government of Granada, Seville and Cordoba. ‘Without any love for the soil where they lived, without any of those affections that ennoble a people, and finally without sentiments of generosity,’ says Amador de los Rios, ‘they aspired only to feed their avarice and to accomplish the ruin of the Goths; taking the opportunity to manifest their rancor, and boasting of the hatreds that they had hoarded up so many centuries.’” [pp. 195-196]*

*William Thomas Walsh, Isabella of Spain: The Last Crusader (New York: McBride & Co., 1930)

Luxembourg, not just the mamma mias, does this “descent” “citizenship” nonsense too ; giving passports to those who’s great great whomever was “luxembourgish”.

Just fill in some paperwork, pay those fees, hire some CONsultant clown, and whim flim flam……….you’re “European”?!

Marina Kirchens the fraud approves!

Jews getting what they want fucking whites no matter who is in power and what they promise. Meanwhile Bill Gates is saying we are not going to NEEd humans!! What do you do when AI replaces tens of millions of jobs? Surprise goyim, surprise!!

“…the people behind this…”

That’s us.

In terms of negligence and failing to see it and stop it that is possibly true, but we didn’t conceive and initiate the process. Back then however, there was no alternative to the NYC legacy jew run media. If the open borders process had begun today instead of decades ago, we might be able to mount serious opposition to it because people would actually know about it. Back then the average person could not conceive what was being done to them by failure to protect the border and there was no alternative media to tell them. The politicians who did know, even people like Reagan, were bought off to say nothing.

I care if people look different. It’s how they look and how they behave.

But look at the head of the opposition. Methinks it’s the Jews telling the Italians and the rest of the Catholics, look what we can do, we can put this beast in power, right there in Roma.

Sorry, I’ve shared it, but I can’t un-share it. 🤮

The commenters in large majority reveal their cluelessness as regards the situation in Italia (and for that matter, Europe). They are simply seizing the opportunity to spout out their ignorant white suprematism.

I accuse people of ‘cognative dissonance’ far too often, but I must do it again now.

You have a very advanced case, Victor. How can you praise Striker’s article yet fail to understand or sympathize with the impetus behind it?

TUR commenters want white populations and white lands to remain white. They may or not be white ‘supremacists.’

I doubt if a single TUR commenter wishes ill upon any other race. I certainly don’t. We simply want people of other races to remain in their own homelands.

As for ‘white supremacism,’ what’s wrong with that? It’s an opinion.

I have considered myself a supremacist in the past. Effectively I still am. But less so.

In recent years, for example, I find myself less and less willing to claim any general white ‘supremacy’ over the Chinese or the jews.

Who’s at the top of the racial pyramid? I don’t care. I consider that an irrelevant question. Just let me alone!

I presume you are of Italian origin, Victor. I truly don’t understand your attitude.

Controlled opposition is an art form perfected by DaSynagogue of Satan over the ages – https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2019/07/conversations-on-controlled-opposition.html?m=0 – only exceeded by our delusional wishful thinking.

Not every country grants automatic citizenship to those born on its soil, as the US does. In fact, even the US didn’t start doing this until after the Civil War.

So you were absent when they taught Machiavelli in grammar school … too bad. You’re gonna have lots of problems understanding Italia and geo-politics in general.

‘You must remember, democracy is not American/German, it is jewish…’

Dude … please keep up with your schedule medications … you’lll feel much better and probably won’t be praying to Satan.

“And all I can do is pray for something horribly bad to happen to all them by their own policies.”

Thanks for your comment which confirms the following …

” … their cluelessness as regards the situation in Italia (and for that matter, Europe)”

Any similarity to Canada is just pure coincidence.

Yeah, but have actual deportations increased? Without that, their numbers are going to continue to swell for some time to come.

At the top of this article there is a button that says “AI Summary”.

When you click the button, OpenAI prepares a 408 word document.

The document was only 1070 words to begin with.

Very clever Unz! You’re contributing to the illiteracy of white people, while also contributing to the shekel shit show of what replaces them.

Mazel Tov!!!

In an ideal or participative democracy, italian people would be heard and their voice taken seriously in consideration through plebiscite about policies like immigration. The problem also lies on this “representative” democracy…

All Zionists — wretched Zionists! Every last one of our ‘nationalist’ rulers.

We came, we saw, he died, and now the brown-black people spigot can be turned on full blast.

Who needs immigrants to stop population collapse? This is how it’s done:
https://twitter.com/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1918705744675012711

It’s American too. Holds « citizenship »

Fugly

Another one where the doors to power are magically opened and then everything they do is nothing like what they told the people they would do.

Same on song and dance in every Western cuntry.

After WWII, Argentina hosted the rich italian fascists.

Meloni was personally chosen by Draghi, Goldman Sachs, she works for financial capital, whatever part she plays, or is able to play. She has nothing to do with the old democracy.
http://www.insightweb.it/web/content/jp-morgan-contro-le-costituzioni-del-sud-europa

I am of Italian origin, born and raised in Brooklyn, NY.

We see you Shlomo.

No is stopping Trumpstien from deporting anyone, the courts are stopping him from deporting individuals – some who aren’t even gangmembers – without due process.

Nigga Heil Hitla!

Good looking broad.

Back then… there was no alternative to the NYC legacy jew run media.

…

Back then the average person could not conceive what was being done to them by failure to protect the border and there was no alternative media to tell them.

There was Willis Carto’s Spotlight. There was Dr. Edward Fields’ The Truth at Last. There was Pat Buchanan, who spelled it all out repeatedly and in the clearest possible terms.

The peril was clear to me in the 70s. Why wasn’t it clear to everybody else? I’m sorry, HT, your point is not well taken.

The American people said no to Ross Perot. The American people rejected Pat Buchanan. Are the American people not responsible for that? Are we to keep blaming the people behind this until the last one of us is laid in his grave?

I repeat my point:.

We can blame no one but ourselves for this unimaginable catastrophe.

Funny how you take a shot at me asshole when I never took a punch to your face.

What’s so special about ‘Italia,” Victor? Has the immigrant flood been stopped? Or not? If not, have we not the right to criticize ‘Italia’ and its political leadership?

Is ‘Italia’ holy? Is ‘Italia’ God? Why must we treat ‘Italia” with reverence? TUR commenters are not known for treating anything with reverence, unless it’s God himself.

We are clueless about ‘Italia’ you say. Well, clue us in. What is this mysterious information we’re ignorant of?

Enlighten us, Victor. Reveal to us the mysteries of ‘Italia.’ We’ll stretch our clueless idiot brains to the max to understand you.

Explain.

Or keep your slanderous remarks to yourself.

I blame democracy for this. Only in a democracy (including in “Constitutional Republics”) can a country be ruled for decades by people who never get anything good done and who are disapproved by absolute majority of the population no matter who gets elected.

“Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance” H.L. Mencken

It is peculiar. Where in the fuck are the blondes??? I haven’t seen a single blonde barge across the border in the US or Europe. Doesn’t that, like, you know….like, get your hackles up? Does me! If I was 25? I’d be freaking out.

“…Presenting race honestly”? You’re not doing that; some of the most epitomizing beautiful European people are from Italy; they’re mixed with Arabs, so your narrative about “non -white”, or “asian: “races” not assimilating is false anti -Semitic propaganda; against Semitic non-Jews, the most pervasive acceptable for of anti-Semitism today. Southern France and parts of Spain, also, all mixed with Arabs. The Monaco monarchy originated with an Algerian immigrant to that place. Fact is the middle east is a part of western civ and always has been.

The Italians need to give their current crop of politicians the Mussolini treatment, as do many Western (white) countries.

Immigration to Italy has dramatically diminished with Meloni and Salvini,

The article addressed exactly this claim, and no it hasn’t:

Indeed, following an initial surge of migrant arrivals, the Meloni government has succeeded in reducing illegal border entries by 60% from 2023 to 2024, crediting the craftiness of her Albanian deal for the results.

This curtailment of illegal boat migrants, mildly impressive on the surface, has been completely overshadowed by the Italian government’s shocking 2023 overhaul of the Flussi Decree, leading to the country’s biggest expansion in legal migration from Asia and Africa since the early 2000s.

Additionally, Meloni’s updated Flussi Decree has drastically jacked up the quota for legal immigration from non-EU countries from 30,850 under her center-left predecessor Giuseppe Conte to at least 452,000 for the period between 2023 and 2025. University of Milan migration expert Maurizio Ambrosini estimates that Meloni’s 452,000 new legal migrants are in reality 1.5 million due to Italy’s lax family reunification laws, which enables chain migration and will radically, perhaps permanently, change Italy’s ethnic balance.

“Illegal” immigration is reduced, but legal is greatly expanded. It’s just the standard right wing bait and switch where grievances about immigration are redirected towards red herrings about formality and legality. Countries like “Poland” do the same thing, boasting about having reduced illegal immigration while they bring in the highest number of legal immigrants in Europe for years on end. “illegal” immigration has never been the primary issue in Europe. “Legal” immigration has been the issue.

Good looking broad

Meloni’s a playful and sexy little (she’s 4’11”) bitch.

https://twitter.com/flacqua/status/1574036585586511872/photo/1
At G7 meeting talking about Macron and other G7 leaders

In response to the supposed controversy, the Italian government reacted by substantially tightening Italy’s citizenship by descent rules so that it that it prevents most working age descendants of 19th century Italian-Americans, Italian-Argentines, Italian-Uruguayans, and Italian-Brazilians from receiving citizenship and immigrating to Europe.

Around 46,000 Argentinians received Italian citizenship from 2023 to 2024 alone, suggesting the existence of a potential pool of 10s of millions of highly assimilable people from the Western Hemisphere that can be attracted to the country

This was cleverly done.

Logically, you’d want to take culturally similar immigrants. Every western euro nation which genuinely needed labor could have taken it from south America, especially the euro descended populations.

The people behind mass immigration to Europe don’t want that. They want the most unassimilable people possible.

Their argument that immigration is economically necessary could have been used to justify taking immigrants from Argentina etc.

So they’ve now cleverly whipped up a little storm about that and then used the storm as an excuse to block that channel.

Muslims and Africans in an endless flow. That’s all they want.

Horseshit.

When do you think the Chinese will crack?

The white whale has been harpooned.
She’s bleeding out, fast.
Will she find a way to sink the whalers?

> if few in number they tend to moderate their behaviour by watching the locals and trying to emulate them. When in large numbers, then they just behave like at home with no consideration for the local norms

So true. It’s a numbers game, in the sense you describe.
If few, the newcomers are subject to the social pressure of the locals and to none of their fellow countrymen.

This is precisely how every single European nation has been bamboozled, by false extrapolation from a few foreigners. The local elites, who should be tasked with sound, longer-term forethought, completely sold out.

I am of Italian origin, born and raised in Brooklyn, NY.

But mostly, you’re a fucking idiot.

Honestly I never heard of Willis Carto or Edward Fields but to say they and Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo were sufficient to warn the American people when 99.99% of the media and politicians were not really in opposition to illegal immigration doesn’t seem like much of an argument.

That’s fine but if you are going to take that position on immigration and what it did to us, then I would think you would take it with every disaster in American history. Leaders like FDR, LBJ, Obama, and the Bush boys weren’t responsible for anything and organized jewry undermining us through control of our institutions was not responsible either. We just dump all the blame on the people instead.

As far as Italy is concerned, it was an African nation occupied since 7 BC (the rise of the Neo-Babylonian Empire) by white Europeans of French and Spanish origins. Therefore, Africans have the right (like the Palestinians in Palestine and American Indian in the U.S.) to live in Italy, not the other way around.

Italians of the classical era were quite the mix of ethnicities, no question, although the nucleus of the Roman empire continued to be dominated by Latians, Greeks, Spanish, and French. I don’t understand your claim that Italy was formerly an African nation. Only parts of North Africa — mainly a narrow strip along the Mediterranean — acquired strong connections with Rome.

But today’s migrant invaders, many of them North African Arabs, include a larger sub-Saharan African component. In the time of Virgil, Pliny (elder and younger), Tacitus, Juvenal et al., no Roman I know of plopped a sandal into the dark part of the continent. (Probably a few adventurers and explorers did, but their names and exploits have been erased by time.)

Anyway, regardless of the racial characteristics of Italy two thousand years past, they offer no justification for a heavy black presence in today’s Italy or any European state if that is your argument.

Pervost? Que appropissimo!

Merkel was childless. This woman is in her late 40s with one child with a man she never married. Macron is a similar disaster.

Follow their examples and Europe will be extinct with or without immigration.

A breeding contest with the third world is not a sane solution. Because of their different IQ levels, cultural traditions and attitudes, wogs will always have more babies than whites. Always. They don’t think of considerations like can they support 12 kids and the degradation their whoopie-making will have on the environment and living conditions. Trying to beat them at their own game is foolish.

Remediation, if there is any, will come about by strict immigration controls in white territories and sterilization campaigns in the third world and the urban third-world portions of relatively high-IQ societies.

It does take two to tango and all these worthless niggers and muslim sand-niggers would never have a beachhead if it weren’t for some of the local population acquiescing to these invading hordes. Of course the niggers who hate living with themselves are going to try and steal Italian Sir names and when you look at the fucks you say to yourself, no doesn’t work. You are a racial fraud, get the fuck out of here trash.

Your a lying fuck sand-nigger muslim or jew or nigger. Almost all of Sicily and Southern Italy were colonized by the Greeks putz. As far as the Latins and Etruscans they were not of african descent moron. And no africans don’t have any right to live in Italy or any other Western country nigger or sand-nigger anymore then they have a right to live in China. I don’t care if your nigger assholes don’t like living with your own shit kind, to bad for you putz…And your a dirty racist pig since you hate living with your own race. Plus take your weird african name and f-off alien…

We’ll know them by their fruits.

…it is an insult to the society.

It sure is. Then again, that’s the whole point.

Italy was never an African nation.

Look at the Italian art from the Proto-Renaissance period, approx 1200 AD. Not seeing any African people in that art. Now this is 200 yrs after your 7 AD, but you think all the Africans disappeared suddenly??

Why don’t we see any of the lovely Italian architecture anywhere in Africa??

What he means is that we all came out of Africa, so we’re ALL Africans.

Whites have one or no kids then support someone else’s 10 kids in the Third World because they saw an ad on the internet of some starving kid begging for aid.

Europe is being hit by anthropogenic climate destablisation harder than any other settled region. Its demise is already determined. Black skinned people will survive there as little longer than Whiteys.

They will contribute the slanted snake eyes.

“I am of Italian origin, born and raised in Brooklyn, NY.”

Should of guessed this with your post name ending in a vowel!

Why is the question of questions. They are importing mostly young men, the most difficult cohort in ALL groups, from societies riven by poverty and petty crime (to survive), civil wars, (hence inured to violence) and religious strife. If sanity prevailed, they’d be helped to improve the conditions for their people (the Chinese approach) but, in fact, the West facilitates and promotes the wars and the exploitative International Economic Order, thus provoking the refugee flow. It CANNOT be accidental.

How can we not love Melanie Phillips, when she openly destroys herself and her kind with all of her truth bombs –

Video Link

She could be Nicole Sullivan’s twin sister.

I applied for Italian citizenship in 2001 through my grandmother’s Italian lineage. No need for my grandfather’s. It’s strange that your brother had to find proof of your great-grandfather’s identity. Before I could be eligible, though, my parents had to apply and receive citizenship. Only then could I apply and eventually receive the documents entitling me to live in Italy as a citizen. My parents applied through the Philadelphia Consulate, and I through Chicago. The process took three years and cost around $400.00 for each, including the cost of translating the documents. In Italy, I had to go to the town of my grandmother’s birth and obtain my citizenship documents from the town hall. With them in hand, I then obtained my residency permit, my Italian ID card, and my health insurance. Been living in the Old World ever since.

You miss the point. They are holding back the tide on their country, contra your idea of inevitability.

Actually, he’s an ethnic Tunisian imposing himself on Milan, Italy.

He changes his nationality in his comments as often as he changes his socks.

The upshot is that nothing he says can be taken at face value.

No doubt if the Unz commenting featured allowed multiple handles, then he would be assuming all sorts of personalities, but much to his chagrin, that feature is blocked.

Not only are you ignorant, you are also lazy. I’ll add that when one has nothing to say the best course is to keep one’s mouth shut. That’s free advice If you want lessons on all aspects of Italia, I’ll PM my telegram channel. I charge €20 per hour but if you subscribe to an entire 15 lesson seminar it’s only €100. Ciao!

That is my argument. Look at what 50 years of democracy did to Italy. It was not a shithole, then it gradually became one, and now it can’t fix itself. Democracy allowed this to happen, it did not prevent this from happening, and now it can’t solve the problems it allowed to happen.

Whites have one or no kids then support someone else’s 10 kids in the Third World because they saw an ad on the internet of some starving kid begging for aid.

Remember the magazine ads in the 1980s? “You can donate $25 to feed this wretched Afro-spawn … or you can turn the page.”

Few are so heartless as not to be moved by starving children of any race or country. But the ads were asking us to send money so the youngster could grow up to sire another super-size batch of starving kids, ad infinitum.

In Italy, I had to go to the town of my grandmother’s birth and obtain my citizenship documents from the town hall. With them in hand, I then obtained my residency permit, my Italian ID card, and my health insurance. Been living in the Old World ever since.

Was it worth enduring the hassle, time and cost?

How hard is it for someone not blessed with Italian ancestry to obtain a residency permit without jumping the hurdles for citizenship? Is there any privilege to being a citizen other than voting, a dubious benefit in a land that has had various degrees of corrupt politics for two and a half millennia?

It is unbelievable how racist and uneducated some commentators on UNZ are. In most civilized discussions, these bigoted and racist comments would not be posted. UNZ should require commentators to provide real contact information, such as a phone number and email, in order to post a comment. I always thought Ron Unz is an educated scholar. How can he tolerate such a pack of wild pigs.

Also China doesn’t allow those it lets in to run wild and cause trouble. It hits them hard and kicks them out.

You like the Tunisians. Theirs are small for your big mouth.

Have you been living under a rock for the last half-century?

Dont tempt me ! LMAO !

I said “looking to get a nest egg” ! Looking is a long way from having.

On of the gimmicks is to pay the Negro labourer say $100 Euros for example. He takes that and goes to the local shop to buy his supplies. But surprise ! The shop is owned by the family of the people who own the farm where the Dindoo works. His living expenses come up to $EU 130.

Hence the poor fucker is always in debt and must work it off. He can run away but with what ? a few Euros in his pocket ? And when the grape season is over he may well be sold to a potato and cabbage farmer in Austria to cover any debt he has. The same applies to the black hoes plying their flesh at the street corners.

As explained to me they are worse than slaves. This kind of thing is no accident. The employers benefit from the flunky labour. Those Blacks who shun this type of exploitation turn to other means of earning ie crime. But here again they are controlled when it comes to major deals. Where minor criminal acts are concerned the native white feels the lash. They are either physically robbed or robbed in the sense they pay for the social benefits of the Nigger…………or both LOL !

However one cuts the cake, its a merry go round of ruin. As the old saw goes “its a giant shit sandwich” and everyone must enjoy, with a splash of chocolate syrup and whipped cream on top.

It is unbelievable how racist and uneducated some commentators on UNZ are.

Often these are ADL or affiliated operatives whose goal is to sully the comments section with incendiary stuff. Screeching noise to drown out the signal.

So.

The mysteries of ‘Italia’ are to remain inviolate.

I’m crushed.

English please, Mr. Bougnoule…

…if you are going to take that position on immigration and what it did to us, then I would think you would take it with every disaster in American history. Leaders like FDR, LBJ, Obama, and the Bush boys weren’t responsible for anything and organized jewry undermining us through control of our institutions was not responsible either. We just dump all the blame on the people instead.

Please be more careful, HT. Imputing opinions to other TUR commenters which they have not expressed is unworthy of the intelligene you demonstrate in your many excellent comments.

Well, I see I must correct myself. I, too, must be more careful. You wrote “I would think you would…” You did not in fact impute to me a neutral or positive opinion of the presidents you name. My apologies.

I don’t know how much, if at all, our views actually differ. In any case I don’t “dump all the blame on the people.” There is plenty to go around.

And believe me, I do not absolve the political class of this country of any blame whatsoever. I doubt that any commenter on this website loathes the persons you name more than I.

However, I do believe, steadfastly, that the ultimate blame for what has happened to this country and what is happening now must be assigned to the American people themselves.

A multitude of excuses are offered in their defense. I accept not a single one.

I thought the purpose of Israel was for you people to leave? I guess not.

I think what happened to this country regarding immigration is complicated and can’t be separated from many other issues including Jew takeover of media, academia, and all the key institutions. It has been one big deception from the beginning. I am not saying the people in general are absolved from responsibility but the bigger responsibility falls on those that wanted to destroy us demographically, notably organized jewry and those who wanted the cheapest form of labor, and those who were in positions of power but allowed it to happen including every President for about the last 50 years not named Trump. Americans vote for people to run their government and the choices they have are usually not good ones. The average person does not have the time, power, or money to change that.

Correct. Italy’s genetic heritage is deeply intertwined with African ancestry, particularly through historical migrations and population interactions spanning millennia. The presence of E-M78 subhaplogroups—E-V12, E-V22, and E-V65—originating in North Africa and later appearing in Mediterranean Europe, including Italy, signals direct trans-Mediterranean gene flow. These haplogroups, which are absent in central and eastern Europe, suggest a unique genetic footprint shaped by African migration rather than southeastern European influences. Furthermore, mitochondrial DNA findings show that Northern African haplotypes, such as U6a, exist in Southern Italy, particularly in Sicily and Basilicata, reinforcing the genetic connections between the two regions. Studies indicate that 1–3% of Southern Europeans carry African ancestry, likely introduced through historical events such as Roman-era movements and Arab migrations. Additionally, haplogroups like L1b1a9 exhibit a clear North African and Mediterranean distribution, with documented instances of African-European genetic exchange dating back 11,000 years. These findings underscore the longstanding relationship between Italy and Africa, demonstrating how migration and cultural exchange shaped Italy’s genetic landscape.

Haven’t always been the hugest ES fan but he really struck gold on this one! One of the best comment streams also. (I will respond to those that piqued my interest one-by-one.) Signorina Giorgia & Mr. Salvini aren’t the dynamic duo, but rather the pathetic duo. Matteo Salvini is an especially odious creature, not only for his COVID tyranny, but also for sabotaging the previous coalition & paving the way for a commie PD regime. This resulted in an open borders mudslide that utterly submerged the Italian peninsula.

Their influence on the Mediterranean race is clear in certain genetic markers that appear strong enough to stand out in statistical studies. In addition, some of the African genes found in these regions may have come not only from these historic events but also from earlier migrations and trade. Overall, the DNA evidence tells us that the Mediterranean race has a long history of people moving across borders, sharing their genes through colonization, trade, and conquest.

Muammar Gaddafi was whacked for basically two reasons (the whole “Arab Spring” narrative was a farce!):

1.) He steadfastly refused to let Libya be used as a springboard to dumb the turd worlders into Europe on national sovereignty grounds. As a result of his removal, we now witness the devastating results not only in Italy but Malta also.

2.) He had financed the rabid Zionist Nicholas Sarkozy’s presidential election campaign in France for some incredibly bizarre reason. Intrepid French journalists were sniffing around and about to expose this. Dead men tell no tales.

It is also 100% plausible that the cackling witch was offering Libyan oil tracts to uber rich Clinton Foundation donors. This would have been exposed in the bitch’s deleted emails.

Excellent point! Unless some formula can be found to get corporate $ out of politics, this problem will only grow more endemic. Here in the states we have the same phenomenon. Tech tycoons such as Mr. Zuckerberg & Big Pharma throw massive amounts of money into the ecosystem, & surprise, surprise, are able to get the stinking rotten government to enact or allow their preferred policy outcomes (ie censorship, COVID shot mandates, etc. etc. etc.) The worthless as tits on a bull Congress, now led by Mr. Thune & Speaker Marshmallow Mike Johnson, will not so much as utter a peep!

UNZ should require commentators to provide real contact information, such as a phone number and email, in order to post a comment.

You forgot to add, submit a recent photo, driver’s license facsimile, and blood sample.

Ron Unz has the power to boot out any commenter he believes violates his lenient standards, but while he issues warnings once in a blue moon I recall no occasion when he actually banned someone.

There is a price for such openness, in the form of viciously crude postings by a few commenters. See Pythas at no. 9 in this thread for an example. Ugly though it is, I’ll accept that in return for having a Cinemascope-wide, uncensored view of what’s on readers’ minds.

You are undoubtedly correct about “parts of Spain.” Wide swaths of Iberia were under Moorish occupation for a very long time, some for almost 800 years.

Another dirty little secret is the fact that the Mohammedans brought multitudes of sub-Saharan slaves into this immediate area. It would be foolhardy to suggest that all of these population groups were expelled post 1492.

The large majority of Castilian “Spaniards” are clearly genetically compromised. The Immigration Act of 1924, while flawed in some ways, was 100% correct in seeking to bar them from the U.S.

Thankfully, the Moors never conquered a SINGLE INCH of the Basque Country or Cantabria, never had operational control of Galicia, and were only present in Asturias for about 5 years or so.

Concerning “Southern France,” you need to be more specific. The lion’s share of what is now Provence, for example, was historically populated by a Ligurian Celt/Greek composite, 100% Italo in terms of culture, & was only ceded to France in 1860 by the Plombieres Agreement.

There was a huge wave of British Isles (mostly but not exclusively from the Celtic areas) & Belgic settlement in the general Cote d’Azur region. Lots of Russian and Polish people also.

Nice in particular is heavily populated by the descendants of these British expats. If I’m not mistaken, the largest church in the city is an Anglican congregation. These folks tend to stick out like a sore thumb and are somewhat resented by the indigenous locals.

Regarding the Grimaldi dynasty, I’m not aware of any historical record suggesting North African ancestry. It has always been my understanding that they are related by blood to all the rest of European monarchies, such as the British Royal Family, the Spanish throne, etc. I have seen compelling research suggesting Jewish origins for all of them.

If you can produce evidence to the contrary, rest assured I’ll studiously examine it.

Very hot gal but vapid to the core. An absolutely putrid PM to boot. The only thing she is good for at this juncture is to actually get married & have some more kids.

“It is unbelievable how racist and uneducated some commentators on UNZ are. In most civilized discussions, these bigoted and racist comments would not be posted. UNZ should require commentators to provide real contact information, such as a phone number and email, in order to post a comment. I always thought Ron Unz is an educated scholar. How can he tolerate such a pack of wild pigs. ”

You’re unclear on the concept and operational ethos of TUR! [lol]

Immigration and miscegenation are also extinction events.

And you gave examples of people who have never been natally inclined, not those who would like to have more children but do not feel culturally or economically motivated.

I am not saying the people in general are absolved from responsibility but the bigger responsibility falls on those that wanted to destroy us demographically… 

Who is most to be condemned?

They who commit sins of commission, that is, the jews and gentile politicians; or they who commit sins of omission, ‘the American people’?

Which are most to be deplored? The wolves for being so bloodthirsty, or the sheep for being so docile?

The elections of 1992, 1996, and 2000 soured me on the sheep.

You’re a more charitable person than I, HT.

In any case the questions are inane.

The jews and gentile politicians are feasting, and the sheep are on the menu.

That’s just the natural (or divinely instituted) order of things.

If you don’t like it – FUCK OFF.

Free speech means just that.

Thank you for the wise and science-supported comment.

Not really charitable, just realistic. America was never intended to be a country where people spend all their time on politics and worrying about their rights. Jew activism did this to us. Evil will always have an advantage in America because most decent people are focused on their family and themselves with things like jobs and day to day living. You can call that falling asleep at the wheel but people focusing on their individual liberty and living out their lives are easy prey for Jew communists and corrupt politicians whose sole purpose is to loot and destroy.

Elections won’t matter as long as evil controls our institutions including the election years you mentioned. It would not have mattered who of the viable candidates running had won. Nothing would have changed all that much. Politics and elections can’t fix the real problem.

”@ghali
It is unbelievable how racist and uneducated some commentators on UNZ are. In most civilized discussions, these bigoted and racist comments would not be posted. UNZ should require commentators to provide real contact information, such as a phone number and email, in order to post a comment. I always thought Ron Unz is an educated scholar. How can he tolerate such a pack of wild pigs.”

‘..politics is the shadow cast on society by Big Business (my capitals)’. John Dewey said it all.

He was talking about YOU, child-killer.

Human paleo-anthropology (pardon the tautology)only grows ever more complex and confusing. I canny keep up-thanks for the fascinating info.

J.C.C.,

Democracy is a jewish creation? I did not know that. Please elaborate.

I read a biography of Princes Grace of Monaco and there it had the whole lineage of her husband[and her or course]. And it did say that originally the founder of that family, was from Algeria. I don’t remember the name of the book. I read it about 20 years ago. That factoid stayed with me because it’s so contrary to the narrative that Europe and Middle East have no common ground or history. When I was in Provence, Nice, where my son was born, the people ranged from light skinned to darker skinned. The dark skin and dark eyes and dark hair, of some Italians and some French and some Spanish, and modern Greeks too comes from their mixing with Arabs-via mixing with Italians who are mixed with Arabs? The architecture, some food, the words in the Romance languages, many come from Arabic. Just learned that the word “alcohol” comes from Arabic.
My greater point however is that influxes of different tribes has always occurred, the nation state is relatively a new thing as you pointed out about French Provence. There’s no inherent harm in influxes of people. It’s how there is such a thing as Italian culture or Spanish culture etc. These cultures come about from having had different tribes come into those locations at specific time. Eventually there is mixing of people and a change occurs from what was before; culture over culture. It’s the way of the world. It’s why we’re not cave men still. [lol]!

It was worth it for me. But being an ex-Pat is not for everyone. Having an undying disgust with America is a prerequisite.
Here’s some info on residency in Italy. The quickest route is to be a good looking Ukrainian and advertising on a singles site for over 60’s Italian males. https://housinganywhere.com/Italy/residence-permit-italy

How can we not love Melanie Phillips, when she openly destroys herself and her kind with all of her truth bombs

Just listened to it. It’s really quite a remarkable performance.

It’s basically a protracted logical fallacy, to which she is absolutely clueless. Clearly things like self-awareness, and an intellectual and moral conscience, are qualities she does not admire. Which would explain why she doesn’t possess them.

I try hard!

Now go turn over those shrimp!

Great article. A very similar thing is happening in Sweden, despite promises of a “paradigm shift” on immigration in the 2022 elections by the Moderates (akin to UK conservatives) and the Sweden Democrats. While asylum based immigration has gone down, chain migration (arabs, africans), student visas (jeets), and work based immigration (also jeets) have gone up. Last year we issued 94000 residence permits, which is about the amount we have taken in every year since 2006 (which was also thanks to the Moderates, btw). Our Minister for Migration and Asylum policy recently went out and said that he wants to turn Sweden into the next Silicon Valley by importing “tech talent” from India.

It’s the same old song and dance. Akesson and SD got on the radar of the puppet masters. They were young and foolish like all young people. The puppet masters then wormed their way into their inner circles. They enticed them with wild parties full of booze, drugs, whores and homos.

Epstein op but probably didn’t need a high level rat like Epstein for these inexperienced fools.

They got the kompromat on them, particularly the closet homos. And Akesson clearly with his love of young flesh.

Controlled opposition all the way.

You are just an illiterate, dirty anti-Muslim who sees his tormentors (the Jews) as his protectors. Instead of blaming a tiny group of poor people for your self-induced ignorance and misery, I would rather commit suicide than live your life.

The genomic data have found some Arab and North African genome only in Sicily, not in the rest of Italy. North African and Arab genome is on the contrary fairly present in Spain and Portugal. This is science, the rest is just talk.

Arguably Liberal Democracy as we know it, is a Jewish dominated phenomenon.

Also the USA was the first Nation to completely emancipate Jews. No European state allowed that to happen until the US took the lead.

There are those like Jonathan Revusky who claim that all those Muslims terrorist attacks in Europe and elsewhere are false flags (based on the true fact that 911 was indeed a false flag to go to war against the Arabs) to turn the popular sentiment against the Muslims, yet those attacks have done nothing to stop the flood of the immigrants.

So all those Muslim attacks, real or not, are achieving nothing, and the governments just keep on bringing in more Muslims.

What kind of real or false flag of apocalyptic proportions must there be, attributed to Muslims and other immigrants, to finally get the Europeans to kick them out and close the border doors? Grooming gangs that have raped a million mostly underage girls in Britain alone and nothing. Huge terrorist attacks in France that have killed up to hundreds or more people – nothing. Daily attacks, rapes, stabbings, assaults, robberies by immigrants throughout Europe, nothing. Nothing, no response. Anyone complaining is identified as a racist and victimised, ostracised, persecuted, prosecuted or sent to jail. Surely this has to stop.

Subcon ‘students’ are really permanent settlers masquerading as students.

Don’t be fooled.

I don’t think those false flags (or false flag hoaxes in some cases) in Europe were about increasing anti-Muslim sentiment. I think they were a pretence to implement new police state legislation akin to the Patriot act in America. They need to defend our democracy, after all. The 1996 Antiterrorism Act in the US followed the the Oklahoma City bombing (another false flag) of 1995. The Patriot Act of 2001 followed 9/11. The same happened in Europe. See more for a short AI recap.

Sorry but compared to Sweden, by the point of view of migration Italy is still a paradise.
Italy is very far away from reaching the point the Sweden, UK or France.

France ‘officially’ stopped all immigration, by decree, way, way back in 1974.

The vast majority of immigrants in France arrived after that date.

Just saying.

Well don’t let me stop you from anything you personally feel necessary to do.

Well fuck Europe then. I use to dream of retiring there but the less it becomes Europe, the less I want to ever go there and I’m willing to bet this will be the same for everyone else who like to travel. Why travel to a place that wants to be India/Africa/Middle East? No one even travels to those goddamn places except for a few explorers, and people who do wild life or archeologist type work. But normal every day people don’t even bother with any of those areas of the globe.

Yet Europe wants to become them.The place is just garbage ruled by dickhead white traitors that hate their own kind. Something you just don’t see in Asia, black dominated nations, or anywhere else but white nations. They embrace failure like it’s a good thing to be fucking proud of.

Salvini was one of the first in Europe to embrace and utilize the slogan of “Remigration,” which his identitarian supporters have cited as their inspiration.

Now in power, the Italian right has mimicked Donald Trump in the United States, representing a new meme-driven populist politics that is falling through the gap between
WHAT THEY SAY AND WHAT THEY DO.

The Italian populist right’s commanding victory has produced skin-deep SIMBOLIC victories in the fight against immigration, but in executed policy it has been
RESPONSIBLE TO ACCELERATE THE PROBLEM.

Lets hope Trump learns about this, and is carefull to what to do and what to believe in this european countries. In addition many other immigration states have the same problem. So far USA is the only state who really reduced the amount of migrants in its country, and also closed the border in the south.

Fact is, Europe is dogturds… I hope the Asians at least keep their societies from ending up that way. I don’t know about Japan, but China I believe will always remain and stay China. And no one has any desire to Black up Asian countries where the people are already brown (Cambodia, Thailand, Philippines, Laos, etc). They have the third world label attached to them, so they’ll be left alone.

“Southern” Italy; great! But people mix and move about. Hence Italians tend to look “Italian” whether they’re from the north or south. And that “look” tends to be dark hair and eyes and olive skin, from the arabs, either directly or via arab mixture with greeks.
You’ d be hard pressed to tell an Italian from a lebanese or syrian or iraqi w/o their cultural dress. I’m not saying they’re all mixed with arabs, but that there is a mixture with them as much more or less as there is with other various influxes of tribes throughout the history of Italy. Again; which is why there is such a thing as a generalized Italian look, more or less.It may be diluted in some parts of Italy and more present genetically in other parts, of Italy, but it’s there generally.

@One Nobody

You really chose your name well.

Sorry to disappoint you “nobody”, your idol Trump, another zionist lackey like Meloni, never played 4D chess, he probably doesn’t even know how to play.

Could be, or many Middle Easterners and North Africans got their look from the Romans that long occupied those areas, rather than the other way round.

Hi, I am Italian on my father side and German from my mother side. If you – like many Anglos and North Europeans – are unable to distinguish Italians from Arabs, that is your problem.
I can distinguish them at first sight in 9 over 10 cases, just by the face.
Your Anglo prejudices count zero. The genomic data indicate that North African and Arabian genomes are present in Italy only in Sicily, while they are fairly common in Spain and Portugal. It is science, so if you like it, great, if you do not, it is exactly the same.
I am also sure you do not know that English is the only Germanic language with a vocabulary derived at 65% from Latin, as a consequence of 400 years of Roman domination and occupation of the BrUtish Islands. Let me just point out the Latin words in your message: great, move, tend, olive, directly, pressed, cultural, various, influxes, history, generalized, diluted, present, genetically, generally.

Were the Romans (who civilized Western Europe, the Mediterranean and the BrUtish islands) Arabs? LOL!

Italians are not some unique race any more than the French or the English. The original European phenotype is blond hair and blue eyes. Those are the “European only” features. Everything else comes from abroad. Slick black hair comes from the East. Curls come from Africa. Brown eyes come from both. This much is obvious when you travel East and South.

Genetically speaking Italians are roughly 50% pure Europeans. More in the North, less in the South. By comparison the French are closer to 70% and the Germans somewhere around 75-80. Nordics can in some cases be around 90% European.

This is easily determined by counting blue eyes.

When it comes to Arabs they are certainly much less European than Italians, because you hardly spot a pair of blue eyes in that region. I traveled Turkey for years and not once did I see blue eyes.

I’m half Syrian, descended from the early Christians. With blue eyes from my Syrian father, not my hazel eyed French mother.

So, what’s means Arab? A tribe from Arabia? And where did they come from; other tribes that merged? As I understand it Arabs are a language group; people whose native language is Arabic. And that comprises the people of the Middle East minus Persians. [and prior to Zionist colonizers]. Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic are closely related. So, though I’m not a historian, I do know that various influxes of tribes have traversed, conquered, traveled, migrated throughout history. I’m thinking , Persians, Romans Mongols , European crusaders, Vikings, Greeks, Phoencians, Hebrews, Egyptians, Etruscans? Arabians [ from whence the language comes], who knows who else! So, the Arabic speaking people living there now, are a mixture of those other tribes, some more with some groups, some mor with other groups. Same can be said about Italians; they’re a mixture of tribes too, tribes that also mixed with Arabic speakers of the ME. That’s how I see it based on the fact that tribes migrate, conquer, trade , travel and then mix with whoever’s already there.
PS. I did one of those ancestry tests and lo and behold some of my ancient dna goes back to; get this; Yemeni Jews ![though as stated above I’m Syrian Christians descended from the first Christians.

If you have blue eyes you got it from both your father and your mother.

There appears to be more blue eyes in the Syriac and even Palestine region than in the surrounding areas. This could merely be a result of crusader activity. In any case, most of the Middle East is 99% dark eyed, signifying a low European ancestry. From Iran and further north and north/east you start to see them again, all the way to the Chinese border. Presumably this is why they call Europeans “Caucasian”, but I think judging by the distribution that Europe is clearly the homeland of blue eyes and blonde hair.

The mixed races (or should we say more mixed) generally have a self esteem issue regarding their identity. Italians will typically scoff at the idea they are somehow related to Germans or that their superficial dark features are of a non European origin. They want to be “puro” but their strong heterogenic features betrays this idea immediately so they start believing they are some sort of special race. “The real Europeans” while the rest are barbarians. It’s a cope, nothing more.

People should just embrace their identity. This is what Hitler did. He loved Germany not because it was pure, but because it was Germany. As a European I sympathize with this viewpoint. They are not the purest race in Europe, but without a doubt they are the greatest. The quintessential modern Europeans. Italians and others should stop acting like children and accept that they are not masters of the universe. They should stop being scared of Hitler. It only betrays their insecurities.

Science says blond and blue is just a variation within the white race. You had a minority of Romans and Greeks who were blond and blue, just as you had a minority of Germans and Brits who were black haired. And the Romans were centuries ahead the predominantly blond and blue Northern Europeans.
Saying that being European means to be blond and blue is racist and/or an aesthetic fantasy without the slightest scientific support.
All my mother family is blond and blue, I have brown-greenish eyes and my son is blond and blue. Me and my son are not of a different race.

You talk and talk, but after the isolation of the human genome in 2003, genetic research has made enormous advances, of which you are totally unaware. The Italian genome is composed of 3 related subgenomes: the Italian (predominant in center and north Italy), the Greek-Roman (predominant in the South and very close to the Greek) and the Sardinian (with a high pre Roman component). Southern Italy was populated by Greek colonies for centuries before the Roman conquest.
Genetic research has also identified an Iberian ancestral genome in Spain and Portugal, later “contaminated” by North African and Arab genomes, an ancestral German genome, and an ancestral British genome, later “contaminated” by Roman and Anglo Saxon (German) genomes.
On the contrary, a French ancestral genome does not exist, French are a mix up of German, Roman and Iberian genomes.
Recent analysis of the UK genome has verified that the Anglo Saxon (German) genome is present at a 28-36% rate in different areas of UK. It means that the Anglo Saxon origin is far less than thought. But you know Anglo Saxon historians insist on the fairy tale that the 400 years old Roman occupation “did not leave traces on the British population”, in spite of the fact that the British queen Boadicea exterminated all the 70,000 London population, exactly because it was a mixed up Roman and British population.

Bottom line, science says there is an ancestral Italian genome, and ancestral Southern Italian genome closely related to the Greek, an ancestral Iberian genome, German genome and British genome. The Italian ancestral genome, separated by the German, exists because of the Alps, just like the Himalaya separate the Indian and the Chinese genome.

I like the way you think. We (White advocates) should all think exactly the same on this. If only.

After intensive review of your reply, it appears as though we could both be half-correct.

Princess Charlotte, the mother of Prince Ranier, was indeed born in Algeria. Upon close review of her many photos, however, I would conclude she was a pure White descendant of the so-called “pieds-noir.” She looks literally as White as a bed sheet & has 100% Euro facial features also.

Here’s where things get real interesting. Prince Ranier was 1/4 Mexican! I never knew this previously. I always believed him to be too dark complexioned for a prototypical White European. Thank’s for motivating me to do some research! Lord knows how this contaminant entered into his family tree, but it could very easily connote some North African DNA.

All of the rest of Prince Ranier’s ancestry is from the Germanic line (Some Jewish Also?), the same as historical European royalty.

Princess Grace Kelly, btw, was of 100% pure White “Irish-American” ancestry.

RE: Origins of the French

Don’t sleep on the fact that there is a massive Celtic input in their bloodstream. And we’re not just talking about the Bretons, Normans or Burgundians either. As I pointed out to Miss Lauren, there was a HUGE influx of Britons & Belgics into the general Cote a’Azur region, the city of Nice most prominently. You could be supernaturally placed in Nice right now & think you’re in the U.K.

I will reiterate that there is a large Russian & Polish presence there also.

Exactly correct! My late dad was of 100% British Isles descent (Scottish & Cornish), & had the same phenotype as the late great Sean Connery & Keith Richards of The Stones.

He was a dead ringer for the equally late great Johnny Cash. In fact we had a family joke that whichever one of them passed away first, they would bury the other.

The book I read said nothing about Mexican ancestry. Sound like revisionist history [infusing Latino in everything they can]. I could be wrong and prejudiced about that, but it wasn’t in that book written before woke/ DEI was in vogue. The “Algerian” I was referring to went back to the first person who founded the dynasty. Or was the” precursor “of it. [ lol] He came from Algeria. I forget why, that would cinch it if I could remember why; conqueror, trader, immigrant? Going way back, hundreds of years.

And Princess Grace was half German, not all Irish. I was not surprised to learn that, for she had a beauty that was different then an all- Irish beauty.

I notice the publication date is 1930. That book could never be published now.

Arabs are Mediterranean whites and there is only a small amount of Arab/Berber/Anatolian DNA in southern Europeans with Sicilians’ ethnicity being overwhelmingly Greek despite two centuries of Muslim occupation. Central and Northern Italians have no Middle Eastern admixture; in fact Piemonte and Valle d’Aosta are actually French. Whereas the Northern Spanish are primarily Visigothic.

These DNA collection outfits (ancestry.com, 23andme,etc.) have been largely exposed as fraudulent and are little more than data (in this case DNA) mining fronts for the criminal U.S. Government.

I’ve heard that one of them is actually affiliated with the LDS Church, believe it or not.

A good buddy of mine, just for shits & giggles, submitted a hair sample from his little doggie. The results came back indicating that his poochie was of “English, Welsh & French” descent. I kid you not. Amazingly, the results were at least partially accurate. His dog is a Welsh Terrier!

I’m truly sorry you fell for this. You seem like a nice lady with a inquisitive mind, despite our disagreements concerning the origins of some European ethnic groups. I don’t know where you reside, but if you used one of these U.S. based sites you can best be believing that the NSA is in possession of your genetic information.

I sincerely hope that you don’t suffer repercussions at some point down the road.

Research the bio of Count Pierre of Polignac, the father of Rainier III. You would be well advised to not rely upon Wikipedia as your sole source of information. It is very biased and clearly has an ulterior agenda.

I stand by and reiterate my position that Princess Grace was exclusively “Irish-American.” It’s a damn shame that such a beautiful White lady couldn’t have found a better gentleman to marry.

Not relying on Wikipedia. Have not checked it. As already stated, I’m relying on a book I read decades ago in the 1980’s. Polignac? What’s his lineage going far back? The book I read went far back to an ancestor of Ranier coming from Algeria. Don’t know if it was Polignac.
BTW: PBS did a documentary on Princess Grace and there it was also stated that she was half German [American]. That’s just a basic empirically verifiable fact.

there is only a small amount of Arab/Berber/Anatolian DNA in southern Europeans

How can this be when the EEF came from Anatolia…

The EEF were replaced with WSH in northwestern EU but in southern EU the EEF survived

AI:
The Early European Farmers (EEF) had a strong presence in Southern Europe, but their genetic influence diminished in Northern Europe due to the migration and expansion of Western Steppe Herders (WSH), particularly those associated with the Yamnaya culture

This is why Northern Europeans tend to have higher proportions of Western Hunter-Gatherer (WHG) and Steppe ancestry, while Southern Europeans, including Italians, retain higher levels of EEF ancestry

The percentage of Early European Farmer (EEF) ancestry in Italians varies, but studies suggest it can be around 80%

Forgive me for not being specific enough. I’m guilty of this sometimes and I’ll try to improve in the future. On to the matter at hand.

Polignac’s Mexican wife (& Rainier III’s grandmother) was Susana Mariana Estefania Francisca de Paula del Corazon de Jesus de la Torre y Mier. (If Castilian “Spaniards” using three names wasn’t obnoxious enough already, a name of this length is categorically absurd.)

Her father emigrated to Mexico from Andalusia, which in and of itself would probably connote a significant degree, perhaps even a majority, of North African DNA. Ethnic /racial purity is the primary reason why I will always shout “Long Live the Basque, Catalan, & Galician Separatist (freedom in actuality) Movements” for as long as I draw breath in this life!

In closing, with all due respect, you would be well suited to not rely on just one book as your sole and authoritative source for everything, unless it’s the Holy Bible.

The Great Replacement actually had a head start centuries ago in some regions of Italy:

Video Link

The special, special Italians. Never laid down with a foreign woman. Never had immigrants. Special, special Italians are 100% pure Italians.

I like to keep it simple. If you have swarthy skin and curly hair then I am going to assume it came from your swarthy, curly neighbors.

If you want to believe that these traits developed super specially on Italian soil without any foreign admixture you are free to do so.

Notice how even Italians always identify with their lesser side. Belis is half German but that doesn’t count for a thing.

Genetics says blond and blue is just a variation within the white race, a variation well present among the Romans (Nero included).

The Romans were several centuries ahead the predominantly blond and blue Northern Europeans – Brits and Vikings of course included – in human development.

Contemporary genetics confirmed the Romans were not North Africans or mixed up with North Africans as you imply, in accordance with Houston Chamberlain, De Gobineau, Rosenberg and Himmler’s mythology and fairy tales about the Nordic race.

And I was born and raised mainly in Italy, so of course I am and feel far more Italian than German.

Scientists believe in all kinds of nonsense like global warming and racial equality. They can’t see the forest for the trees. 90% of Northern Europe would not have blue eyes if it was merely a “variation”. This is the original phenotype. Blue eyes and blonde hair are completely unique to Europeans. How is this a “variation”? Why are they found nowhere else on Earth? Why do they grow progressively stronger the further you get away from race mixing areas? It’s all staring right in your face.

The stereotype of a white man has always been a blonde. Always.

There is a difference .

in northwestern europe the darker EEF were completely replaced in a total ‘population turnover” with the Steppe people. EEF did not survive there.

But in southern Europe the EEF survive to the present day.

Any blond people in southern Europe are the result of race mixing with Nordics.

I am familiar with this theory and I don’t believe it for a second. Firstly, they propose that the steppe people had blue eyes and dark skin. If they completely replaced another population we would have dark skin.

Secondly, a steppe people is extremely unlikely to outnumber an agricultural people and if there was replacement it would be far from total. In fact the Norse sagas speak about this process where the invading Aesir (Easterners) merge with the Vanir (original inhabitants).

My inkling is that the science is confused on this point. Blue eyes and blonde hair go hand in hand everywhere you find them. Even dark italians are born with blonde or semi blonde hair.

The idea that Nordic invasions caused this seems fantastical considering you barely find a trace of the Vandals and the Ostrogoths in the modern genome of Spaniards and Italians.

I am familiar with this theory and I don’t believe it for a second.

Beliefs don’t matter. Science does.

How it happened is not known. It must not be genocide it could be that the EEF died out before the steppe people came.

There is no scientific agreement on global warming, and recent genetics has proven the genetic foundation of human races, which are not just a “social construct”.
But blond and blue is just a recessive variation within the white race and not a special, different or better race.
The Roman Empire, from the Roman Republic until its end, lasted for around 7 centuries. Your predominantly blond and blue British, Irish, Viking or German ancestors were centuries behind the Romans. Some Romans were blue eyed and blond, even red haired (Nero), but they were not Nordic, they were Romans.
You are also wrong treating Italians and Spaniards/Portuguese the same, just because they are not predominantly blond and blue. Contemporary genetics has verified a high presence of North African and Arab genome in Spaniards and Portuguese, while among Italians that presence is relevant only in Sicily.

“In a land that has had various degrees of corrupt politics for two and a half millennia”.

In a land – Italy – that has been the center and the most civilized place in the West since the Roman Republic (300 BC) until around 1550, i.e. for around 1800 years. I know it is hard to digest.

Well if you want to believe that water is not wet because a scientist says so, be my guest. The dark skin just evaporated I suppose. And the origin of these steppe people, that must have been completely obliterated as well. No blue eyed peoples in the East.

Can’t see the forest for all the trees.

But blond and blue is just a recessive variation within the white race and not a special, different or better race.

Calling it recessive only shows your ignorance. Blonde hair does not disappear when mixed with black. It becomes brown. Blue eyes do not disappear when mixed with black, they become brown, hazel or even green.

I can tell you one thing. This immense hatred you southerners have for Northern Europeans not only shows your lack of self esteem, it also shows you are no better than Jews. Italians will not be our allies, that’s for damn sure. I remember a time when you used to call other Europeans sub humans. Nothing has changed in this regard. All the arrogance of the old Romans with zero achievements to back it up.

You have to dig 2000 years in the past to find your greatness. Meanwhile you are mere vassals to the developed states in the North. What happened Luigi?

a) You don t know what recessive means, i.e. the ABC of human genetics. Blue eyes simply disappear after 2 generations if they are not mixed with other blue eyes.
b) Being myself half German, with all my maternal family blond and blue, I cannot have any hatred for Northern Europeans. I simply find the blond and blue or Northern European superiority ridiculous and without any foundation.
c) Italy has been the center of the West since the Roman Republic until the Renaissance, i.e. the foundation of commercial and banking capitalism, the rebirth of science and art, etc etc.
d) As for the present situation, it is certainly not worse than that of UK, Germany, France or Sweden, and by the point of view of illegal migration, certainly better.

. Even dark italians are born with blonde or semi blonde hair.

What does it prove, there are also negros born with blond or semi blond hair.

Firstly, they propose that the steppe people had blue eyes and dark skin.

The steppe people migrated during bronze age

In the northwest european there was a total population turnover, the EEF did not survive like they did in southern Europe.

the combination of blue eyes, blonde hair, and pale skin became dominant in the iron age, they are a later development among the northwest european peoples.

a) You don t know what recessive means, i.e. the ABC of human genetics. Blue eyes simply disappear after 2 generations if they are not mixed with other blue eyes.

Absolute nonsense. What kind of magic makes a gene disappear after 2 generations?

This is a myth from 19th century Mendellian theory. It appears to disappear because of the nature of melanin, but in fact it remains and can be expressed at any point if matched with another blue gene further down the line. If blue eyes somehow “disappeared” after 2 generations there would not be a blue eyed man left in Europe. I find it funny how quickly you resort to this nigger logic. Then again Italians are barely 50% white.

Being myself half German, with all my maternal family blond and blue, I cannot have any hatred for Northern Europeans. I simply find the blond and blue or Northern European superiority ridiculous and without any foundation

Italian superiority however is not ridiculous, even if you have to go 2000 years in the past to find it. The achievements of Northern Europe in the last 500 years apparently mean nothing to you. You sound like a typical Jew.

How come you were conquered by an “inferior” people? And multiple times at that.

Italy has been the center of the West since the Roman Republic until the Renaissance, i.e. the foundation of commercial and banking capitalism, the rebirth of science and art, etc etc.

Italy has not been the center of anything except avarice since 500 AD. The renaissance began in the Gallic Po Valley. The Northerners produced better stuff anyway. The real Italians further south are only known for organized crime and sleeping on the job. The Romans would laugh at you.

As for the present situation, it is certainly not worse than that of UK, Germany, France or Sweden, and by the point of view of illegal migration, certainly better.

What do you know about it? When I come back from a trip to the South it feels like landing in a different world. Economically superior. Technologically superior. Intellectually superior. When was the last time an Italian did anything of note? Maybe if you compare yourself to a Greek…

Semi-blond hairs in babies, can happen even with some negros

The steppe people came in bronze age and replaced the EEF in northwest europe, no EEF survived

but in southern Europe the EEF people their ancestry are still there

the combination of blue eyes and blond hair, it became dominant only in the iron age. that was long after the steppe people migration

Yeah, if they have white ancestry. American blacks are 20% white on average.

For once I would like your type to look away from the book and use your synaptic connections. If blonde and blue eyed people replaced a dark people and came to dominate, what happened? Germans have become less blond since Roman times. How do you account for a complete reversal of that trend? Mathematically this is not possible. Nor are there any historical examples of an invading people completely displacing a native population. Firstly it can not happen because invaders are always in a minority and secondly it can not happen because human nature prefer to make them into slaves rather than killing them.

What does happen is that an original population slowly take on the traits of their neighbours and their slaves. This is why Germans have Polish, Russian, French and Italian ancestry. But the dominating phenotype, the original, is blonde.

Italy, Greece, Spain, being much closer to foreign races, have experienced this process at a much greater degree. But they too were likely at one point blonde.

Read this essay to see what actual ancient Greeks and Romans had to say about the matter:

https://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/

The EEF disappeared completely in northwest europe that is just genetics.

Some EEF females who married steppe people they survived, but the males disappeared completely

It could have been climatic factors, it does not have to be genocide.

But this is proven in genetics.

In southern Europe the EEF are still there.

Italy, Greece, Spain, being much closer to foreign races, have experienced this process at a much greater degree. But they too were likely at one point blonde.

The combination of blue eyes, blonde hair, and pale skin phenotype became dominant only in the iron age not earlier

it is a northern european development

Certainly not among the EEF ancestry of southern Europe.

Read this essay to see what actual ancient Greeks and Romans had to say about the matter:

Of course Nordics migrated to the south which is what your article implies.

But the whole of southern europe was certainly not at one point blonde.

The EEF disappeared completely in northwest europe that is just genetics.

That is opinion based on scant information. Stop acting like you have a crystal ball where you can see clearly thousands of years in the past. What even is EEF apart from a name? What did they look like?

Some EEF females who married steppe people they survived, but the males disappeared completely

That sounds more like typical Viking activity, bringing captured women home.

It could have been climatic factors, it does not have to be genocide.

Climate change enters the thread. I know one possibility you are not considering for one second: the interpretation of the limited material is wrong.

But this is proven in genetics.

The only thing you can prove is that there is a genetic element. Dates, chronology, actual events, that is all assumption. A low Anatolian genetic element in Northern Europe makes sense if you consider the distance from Anatolia. It does not make sense if you suppose EEF once dominated the North.

In southern Europe the EEF are still there.

EEF is not the only thing Southern Europe shares with Asia, being neighbors and all.

The combination of blue eyes, blonde hair, and pale skin phenotype became dominant only in the iron age not earlier

How? If Germans were so proficient in completely displacing foreign populations then why aren’t they dominating the world? Or at least an area larger than a small cluster around the Oster sea.

it is a northern european development

Blondes survive in the most geographical resilient area of Europe? What a coincidence. It’s almost as if the race mixing in the South did not manage to penetrate to the same degree this far away, but that sounds too logical doesn’t it? Much better to assume something convoluted like a massive migration, remigration, population displacement, genocide and starvation of entire peoples.

Certainly not among the EEF ancestry of southern Europe.

Whatever that is.

Of course Nordics migrated to the south which is what your article implies.

What came first? The chicken or the egg? If Nordics migrated South, and Nordics completely displaced entire populations, then why shouldn’t Italy at some point have been almost completely blond? This is what you say happened right across the Alps. And we know the Germans went into Italy at various points, so what gives?

I say places like Italy is just a natural mixture of genes from the North and the South/East. All these “unique populations” make no sense to me. Mathematically it should not be possible.

I will add one example just to show how ridiculous some of these theories are.

According to scientists all blue eyes originate from a single source. So far, so good.

However, they claim that blue eyes were so popular that it displaced practically every brown eye in Northern Europe (but strangely, nowhere else). Now let’s do some simple math and see what this means. Let’s be conservative and suppose this happened in a population of 1000.

The idea then is that the other 499 males in this population were somehow prevented from breeding. Meaning in a society where marriage and child rearing are critical, this one blue eyed male managed to displace everybody else over a short period of time (but nowhere other than Northern Europe did this happen).

Geneticists may know genetics, but apparently they never learned calculus, or any type of human history. The idea is so inane that only an educated person could believe it.