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The world just witnesses a shockingly one-sided air war between Pakistan and India last week. Pakistan air force, equipped with Chinese weapon systems, took down a large number of India air combat assets while suffering zero loss.

The air battle featured Chinese-made J-10C fighters, PL-15 air to air missiles, HQ-9 air defense system, and ZDK-03 AWACS. Reported India losses included 3 French-made Rafale fighters, 1 Russia-made Su-30, 1 MiG-29, and 1 Israel-made Heron UAV.

What makes the outcome so shocking is that the Rafale fighter, sold to India at $240 million each, is often lauded as the most advanced European fighter jet, didn’t manage to put up any fight in the confrontation with J-10C. The Mica and Meteor air-to-air missiles carried by Rafale were discovered intact/unfired in the wreckage.

J-10C, by no means a backward fighter, is considered as well past its prime in the Chinese air force whose more advanced fighters include J-20, J-35 (both 5th generation stealth fighters), J-16, J-15 (4.5th generation multirole fighters), let alone the 6th generation fighters (J-36 and J-50) that are being tested.

J-10C is mainly for exports these days. Pakistan has acquired them at $40 million per unit. A few Middle Eastern nations are also considering the jet, including Egypt. Typically Chinese military export is one or one and a half generation behind what the PLA equips itself.

In all fairness, Rafale would be a strong match against J-10C in a head-to-head dog fight. At $240 million, it is even for more expensive than F-35.

Then, how did the Indian air force suffer such a humiliating one-sided loss against a much smaller Pakistan air force?

The answer lies in the strength of the integrated Chinese weapon system used by Pakistan.

Rather than using a hodgepodge of weapons sourced from France, Russia, Israel, and the US, as is the case with India, Pakistan utilized a full suite of highly integrated and synchronised air combat systems from China that include –

  • J-10C fighter jet – a 4th generation multirole lighter fighter with a KLJ-7A AESA radar whose detection range exceeds 300km. With gallium nitride technology, it can lock onto the Rafale’s RBE-2 gallium arsenide radar signature 60-100 km before the Rafale even detects it. In modern air war, who sees first fires first.
  • PL-15 air to air missile – one of the deadliest beyond visual range air to air missile with strike range over 200km. The PL-15E, the export version, still has a strike range of 150km, significantly longer than the 80km range of the Mica or the 100km range of Meteor, the most advanced European air to air missile.
  • HQ-9 air defense system – this older generation Chinese air defense system (the newer one is HQ-19 with much longer range) has a maximum range of 200 km up to an altitude of 30km. While it has a significant shorter effective range than the Russian S-400 system (400km range), it enjoys a seamless data link with the J-10C fighter and PL-15E missile that automatically handles both fighter and missile guidance in combat
  • ZDK-03 AWACs – again this is an older Chinese early warning planes, two generations from PLA air force most advanced systems (KJ-3000 and KJ-700). It is tailor-made for the Pakistan air force by China. The AWAC features an Active Electronically Scanned Arrange (AESA) radar with 360-degree coverage, capable of detecting and tracking up to 100 aerial targets, including low-flying and stealth jets. Importantly, ZDK-03 features an integrated sensor and communications suite, including Missile Approach Warning Systems (MAWS) and can maintain data links with ground command centers and friendly aircraft for real-time battlefield coordination.

With Link 17, a two-way communication data link China has helped Pakistan develop, the HQ-9 air defense system passes the Indian Rafale fighter information to the J-10C fighter which fires the PL-15E air to air missile well beyond the range of Rafale’s own missiles. Then the ZDK-03 AWAC maintains the data link with the missile and guides it toward the target.

PLA’s internal data link systems, such as XS-3 and DTS-03, are far more sophisticated than Link 17 or Link 16, the NATO data link standard. They use a combination of Beidou satellite navigation/communication and AI-powered military-grade 5G system. Given their highly classified nature, the systems are under strict export ban.

The Rafales were shot down before they even had a chance to engage with the J-10Cs within the missile range.

The defeat suffered by the India air force is a result of its lack of an integrated air warfare system. Standalone weaponry, however advanced, cannot achieve air superiority without the integration of other air warfare systems and seamless data links in today’s informationalized combat environment. Of course, poor training and tactical planning are also contributing factors.

Pakistan, with its integrated Chinese-made air combat platforms, has achieved a decisive victory over India, whose patchwork collection of various weapon platforms prove both costly and ineffective.

When $240 million Rafale fighters are brought down by $40 million J-10Cs with $180,000 PL-15E missiles, the military world is experiencing its own DeepSeek moment.

I wrote in my essay A Watershed Hypersonic Breakthrough: China’s New Hypersonic Air-to-air Missile (https://huabinoliver.substack.com/p/a-watershed-hypersonic-technology) that China just fielded an ultra-long 1,000km hypersonic missile (which can cover that distance in 8 minutes at Mach 5), designed to neutralize the US F-22 and F-35 fighters and B-21 bomber.

The Pakistan India air combat, labelled as the largest air war in 50 years, is a testing ground for Chinese technologies. With military hardware one to two generations older than PLA’s own, Pakistan has handily beat Indian’s most advanced western weaponry.

The US and the west would be making a deadly mistake to underestimate the Chinese military in Western Pacific and challenge China in a kinetic war.

The cherry on top is that India, despite western media’s hype as a counterbalance to China, proves it is just noise and can barely serve as a speed bump.

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  1. The rift between India and Pakistan is understandable.
    Thank you Perfidious Albion – Jew occupied Angleland.
    The rift between China and India is idiotic.
    Imagine China and India working together as good neighbours..,
    and help Pakistan to reintegrate, especially since China is said to be a very good teacher for weirdos crying Allah uh akbar.
    Wars are Jews’ harvests.
    Is the Pakistan war China’s harvest?
    Chinese & Jews?
    Seriously:
    China and India need to go hand in hand!
    China should support India and vice versa.
    It could be magic.

  2. Pakistan’s claims are as believable as the Ghost of Kiev, I get it, you’re a Chinese supremacist so will believe any retarded claim that helps quiet that voice of inferiority inside your head.

    Pakistan’s government has been caught sharing video from Arma 3 claiming it was combat footage.

    Were any Indian aircraft shot down? Maybe, but let’s face it, they’re flown by Indians, so that’s by far the limiting factor, not the aircraft. But you’ve literally selected the most outrageous of all the claims out there (3 Rafales, a Mig29 and an SU30) and run with it. Most other sources say they believe 1, possibly 2 aircraft were shot down. Just like when claiming the range differences of the Meteor vs PL15, the range of the Meteor is not published, with a variety of estimates given, between 100-250km. So naturally you selected the lowest.

    When the Pakistani Defence Minister was asked if they had any proof he told CNN to look on social media, because he had none himself.


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  3. Hua Bin:

    Your great knowledge is a real asset to this Unz website. From now on, I will make it a point to read your new articles first.

  4. The “defense” industry of the west is profit and private corporations based which by literal Supreme Court decisions (Ford vs Dodge Brothers; for a solid kek look up the symbol of the DB company) predicates fat profit margins at every level. Juxtapose this with Russia where weapons construction are state owned and are based on simplicity – so they’re cheaper and so a conscript half in the bag on potato vodka can operate it as opposed to the complexity of US systems because such complexity drives price and thus profits … this is why Russia can build a sub or fighter that actually works for 1/3 the cost of the West. Recall how the hapless Hoho’s needed extensive training in US ATGMs … what?! It should be – see tank. Put tank in optics. Wait for buzz. Press firing stud.

    Couple this with the ridiculous production levels of China – their naval yards have 800x the capacity of the US and they add the equivalent of the current French Navy to their fleet every year. Add in Chinese automatic factories that can allegedly produce 1000 anti-ship missiles per day while America’s bespoke artisanal missiles are produced in the single digit numbers per week.

    For those stupid enough to believe in American Super Weapons developed with the supposed missing 50 trillion dollars I ask you what’s more likely – 1) the parasites that infest the US stole it all or 2) they not only developed mega tech they will actually deploy said mega tech to defend the same filthy goyim they’ve been fist-fucking for over 100 years? Get real.

    The only possible gamble is massive genetically targeted bio-weapons to selectively kill Slavs, the Han, etc and such weapons have been possible for decades so … otoh if you worship death and are the literal servants of anti-life and anti-creation then complete annihilation with billions of rotting dead isn’t bug, it’s a feature

  5. Pythas says:
    @Kurt Knispel

    Wars are Jews’ harvests. Good what the yid sows they are going to harvest. Another words they are going to reap the whirlwind in time.

    • Replies: @in the middle
  6. BlackFlag says:
    @Shitposter_in Chief

    According to Le Monde, the French newspaper which you’d expect to back their Rafale fighters, India has admitted they have lost *several* fighter jets, including at least one Rafale.
    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/05/08/military-operation-in-pakistan-reveals-weaknesses-of-india-s-air-force_6741047_4.html

    US officials admit *at least* 2 aircraft shot down:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/pakistans-chinese-made-jet-brought-down-two-indian-fighter-aircraft-us-officials-2025-05-08/

    American military analyst who seems to be a neocon says 5:
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-has-indias-military-performed-so-poorly-against-pakistan

    But, why do you think Pakistanis are superior to Indians?

  7. @Kurt Knispel

    India stole territory from China back in the early days.

    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
  8. anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:

    Pakistan shot missiles at Indian air bases and India shot missiles at Pakistani bases. Any side by side comparisons of how well each other’s air defense systems did or didn’t do?

  9. Anon269 says:

    I don’t think there is anything wrong with the basic thesis: in Beyond Visual Range (BVR) aerial combat, network-centricity is key.

    More simply put: all other things being equal, if I spot you first, I shoot/kill you first.

    And if all other things are *not* equal — quality/capabilities of ground-based and airborne radar, EWS, quality (speed, range, maneuverability, protection against EWS) of munitions/rocket — then the overall balance/margin for victory will tilt accordingly.

    So whether or not you agree with the author, he/she provides us with some of the right *questions* that should be asked, and to which the answers will be known by the relevant military-technical specialists of both countries, as well as perhaps intelligence analysts of other countries.

    One question I ask myself is, 75 years from now, will manned aircraft be needed at all?

    If not, then it will be missiles/drones/UAVs vs each other. Both quantity and quality will matter. If you can overcome the other side’s AD just by launching 10x-50x the number they launch, you’d have the advantage, ceteris paribus.

    The economically stronger power will have the advantage on the quantity side – spend more. But the economically weaker side will always seek/plan asymmetric counters – play dirty to win, and focus on the fact that the economically stronger side has more to lose economically.

    Which is why DPRK and ROK will not be going to war anytime soon, even if ROK establishes its own nuclear deterrent.

    • Agree: 1951
  10. Notsofast says:
    @A_Hand_Hidden

    let this be a wake up call, to any zioneocon chicken hawks out there, that still fantasize about going to war with china. let this also be a wake up call to coke head macron as well, (what is it with these nazi larpers and their coke?).

    like the article says, it not so much about the plane but the missile and the zato armaments just don’t measure up in range and speed to the chinese, let alone the russians, that have even faster and longer range missiles.

    it serves modi right, for being a duplicitous rat and buying this overpriced french garbage, in order to make a business deal with the duplicitous french rat macron, rather than buy su-57’s or su-35’s, from russia. putting the needs of his military behind his self enrichment, buying overpriced, overhyped zato junk, just like the american garbage. so while the rest of the world witnesses the weapons superiority of chinese and russian systems, the combined west has been exposed as the has-beens they are.

    no need to knuckle under the former hegemons petulant demands any longer, his gunboat diplomacy is as outdated as teddy roosevelt’s bully pulpit. this has been proven by the mighty houthis, that forced the truman out of the red sea once again. the french and americans are being run out of africa, by their former colonies.

    soon the europeans will to have to go back to warring amongst themselves, that’s the only way they can have a fair fight. i’m kind of looking forward to it, europe getting back to its roots, all of their schengen, lgbtqulmnop, love fest is getting tiresome, lets get back to bombing each other’s cities flat. their inferior technologies will keep them from exporting their wars and ring fence them, within the walls of inferiority of their beloved garden.

    no wonder putin and xi, had such big grins on their faces, at the victory day celebrations, victory over europe, once again.

  11. bjondo says:

    Going back a bit, 1973:

    From Dumayr Air Base to Glory: The Tale of Shooting Down an Israeli Mirage

    https://www.hilal.gov.pk/view-article.php?i=7376

    5ds

    • Replies: @Norwegian Troll
  12. anon[345] • Disclaimer says:

    Did S-400 suffer major damages ? India thinks that Pakistanis can be slaughtered the way he slaughters muslims in India before election.

    It had no proof of Pakistani involvement It did not share anything that could be worth the ink it was written by . India always engages in lies.Ask them anything sbout about history going back 10 years or 2000 years, it offeres lies .
    India has already erased Pathan -Mughal period and British period from history. It will erase this episode that ran until the ceasefire .

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  13. Hua Bin, how Chinese can fight war when they make jet fighter with card board? It no good.



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  14. @Anon269

    You raise several very good…and thought provoking points.

    I especially will consider your comment regarding the future lopsidedness should unmanned aircraft dominate, in which case quantity and quality will matter, namely;

    “The economically stronger power will have the advantage on the quantity side – spend more. But the economically weaker side will always seek/plan asymmetric counters – play dirty to win, and focus on the fact that the economically stronger side has more to lose economically.”

  15. nymom says:

    Wars cannot be won with sirpower alone as the US saw in Iraq and Israel is finding out in Gaza. Bottom line is you have to have the manpower to go in and control the population centers and that where demographics come into play.

    Thus Pakistan will never be able to defeat India and I hate to say it, but this probably means the US won’t be successful fighting China either…unless they go nuclear…

    Best to keep talking.

    Just my opinion.

    • Replies: @Xavier
    , @Rich
  16. @Kurt Knispel

    You neglect the sepoy obsequiousness, learned through a couple of centuries of subservience to Perfidious A., and the quasi-Judaic xenophobia of the caste system. Add Hindutva fascism and the malign influence of Overseas Indians from the USA, where they operate as subalterns to the Judeofascists who control Silicon Valley, and you get a ruling class that hates most of its own population, despises the Moslem population and is enraged that China has so very far outdone them since the late 40s. Only a revolution could save India, but ecological collapse will preclude that.

    • Thanks: One Nobody
    • Troll: William Gruff
    • Replies: @CCKG
    , @Kurt Knispel
    , @迪路
    , @Malla
  17. @anon

    The Hindutva fascists could easily have done it themselves, in order to justify ethnically cleansing Kashmir, in imitation of their Judeonazi friends in Occupied Palestine. ‘India’s 7 October’, I hear the wailing.

  18. @A_Hand_Hidden

    I concur. SARS CoV2 was a test run. Furthermore, it’s not just the Yanks-the Judenreich co-operated for years with apartheid South Africa, its lost love, on genetically specific bio-weapons. They didn’t stop when South Africa did. And multiple Judeofascist enterprises are vacuuming up global DNA analyses of various populations (as is the US Pentagon).
    It’s plain, from history, the character of the Judaic death-cult and its various ‘Christian’ off-shoots and the psychopathy of Western elites, that the war on China is based on race hatred and is intended to be genocidal. Even a ‘liberal democratic’ China would outdo the West, and a smashed and vivisected China would only eventually re-unite, as it has done many times. So the Chinese themselves must go, so that the Judaics and their goy servants may ‘feel safe’ in his world.
    Bearing that in mind, I find the plethora of LUNATIC hate screeds declaring that ‘a billion Chinese are missing’, ‘China’s cities are empty’, ‘there are only three hundred million Chinese’ etc, deeply sinister. It seems to my paranoid mind, that this is ‘predictive programing’, preparing the Western pleb hive-mind for the actual disappearance of hundreds of millions of the ‘Yellow Plague’. How the ruling demons intend to accomplish it without being destroyed in return, really puzzles me.

    • Replies: @A_Hand_Hidden
    , @Ace
  19. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:

    Chinese Troll Indian Rafale Jets:

    Video Link

  20. ghali says:

    Just like the U.S.-led Western media, the Russian media attempted to exaggerate India’s military power, similar to their efforts in Israel. Specifically, RT labelled Kashmir as a “terrorist haven” and continues to promote the supposed “invincibility” of the Indian air force. This rhetoric is reminiscent of RT’s coverage of the Israeli air force, which has been criticised for targeting schools, medical facilities, refugee shelters, and mosques where unarmed women and children seek refuge. It is crucial to acknowledge that India has supported Israel’s terror against Palestinian civilians and has been supplying weapons to Israel. Putin may claim to oppose fascism and Nazism, but are there leaders more aligned with fascist ideologies than Modi and Netanyahu?

    During a dogfight, India lost eight aircraft, including five French aircraft. Modi’s Mossad agents, who infested occupied Kashmir like cockroaches, fled to New Delhi before Pakistan retaliated by bombing India in occupied Kashmir. Long live Pakistan.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  21. anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    Bad news should also be shared. How well did the HQ-9 missile defense system perform?

    On the other side of the ledger, the success of Indian missiles — many of them reportedly long-range French SCALP missiles — in finding their targets showed both the weakness and paucity of Pakistani aerial defences.

    Pakistan is known to deploy China’s HQ-9 systems, which are a generation behind the sophistication of Russian S-400s and are at the top-end of India’s inventory.

    “The fact is that even at a time of extreme high alert, Indian missiles penetrated Pakistani airspace without being detected,” said Laxman Kumar Behera, who specialises on India’s national security at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi.

    https://www.ft.com/content/ff46ca13-a64d-4ba1-833e-1bb348880aec

    Were Pakistani long range missiles able to inflict similar precise damage against Indian bases?

  22. CCKG says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    “China has so very far outdone them since the late 40s. Only a revolution could save India, but ecological collapse will preclude that.”

    You are a moron. China was poorer than India in the 1970s and 80s thanks to the mother fucker Mao’s mismanagement. China only began to take off in 1993 when Deng once and for all went for Capitalism (they called it Market Economy instead of Capitalism because the term is too ideological radioactive) after his Southern Tour. The fundamental problem with India is not that it needs a revolution (although it certainly helps because Hindu culture is inferior to traditional Chinese Confucius culture); the problem is that the Indian population has a low IQ.

  23. Xavier says:
    @nymom

    Thus Pakistan will never be able to defeat India

    They can defeat India, they just won’t be able to hold it. But that’s not their aim either. The smaller power wins by not losing. It wins by persuading the stronger side to abandon its campaign. Survival is its own reward. This is how the Vietcong defeated America. This is how Hezbollah defeated Israel in 2006.

    I hate to say it, but this probably means the US won’t be successful fighting China either

    You say this like it’s a bad thing. Why? The fall of the US is actually good for humanity.

  24. @Beyond the pale and fedup

    India stole territory from China back in the early days.

    It was the British who intentionally drew incorrect borders (The McMahon Line) without consent or presence from ALL effected parties which is the cause for the conflict between China and India. It’s Perfidious Albion’s “Divide and Rule” in practice:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon_Line

    • Replies: @Malla
  25. DGAF says:

    The war of systems will define the future rather than stand-alone weapons

    Your English language syntax is offensively terrible, Trash Bin.

    “The war of systems, not stand-alone weapons, will define the future” is how a competent thinker would’ve written it.

    Better luck next time, Trash.

    • Troll: 1951
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  26. Miro23 says:

    Then, how did the Indian air force suffer such a humiliating one-sided loss against a much smaller Pakistan air force?

    The answer lies in the strength of the integrated Chinese weapon system used by Pakistan.

    Rather than using a hodgepodge of weapons sourced from France, Russia, Israel, and the US, as is the case with India, Pakistan utilized a full suite of highly integrated and synchronized air combat systems from China

    This looks like Chinese low cost integrated manufacturing applied to weapons systems.

    India wasn’t facing individual aircraft, it was facing an integrated system designed and manufactured that way from the start. Focused on final performance rather than who gets paid and the political angles.

    Something to consider is that the Chinese are probably applying the same integrated approach to their naval and nuclear defense and could inflict similar humiliating one-sided losses on an opponent.

    • Replies: @kicktheroos
  27. @mulga mumblebrain

    Castes & jewers obviously equals exponential corrosion.
    Sounds like a Chinese fostered revolution against Jews & cons in India is a starter, maybe start by singling out and „neutralising“ the worst leeches on India.
    For example:
    The jewers are now killing engineers & key men of Russia’s war production to slow down and keep the Jewkrainian war boiling for another decade in wear & tear, till both are wrecked and can be formed in the image of the Jew for the sole benefit of the ticks.
    Side-effect: wrecking the rest of Europe for the same purpose.

  28. American delusions are being dismantled every day now.

    We had the US systems of checks and balances, the US economy, the US dollar, now the US military. For decades America flaunted “quality over quantity,” but now it is obvious that American hardware is garbage, along with its clueless leadership and unmotivated rank and file just there for a GI grant.

    If Trump is dumb enough to start WWIII, America will be obliterated.

    • Thanks: Harold Smith
  29. Lin says:

    https://www.tovima.com/world/top-us-military-expert-concerned-for-nato-after-chinese-j-10s-down-3-french-rafales-in-a-day/
    ‘Bad News’ For NATO, Top US Military Expert Says After Chinese J-10s Down 3 French Rafales in a Day in Pakistan

    Former US Deputy Defense Secretary Stephen Bryen has warned that the downing of three Indian Rafale fighter jets by Pakistan’s Chinese-made Chengdu J-10 fighters on May 7 was very concerning for NATO, as the French aircraft is part of the alliance’s fleet….

    • Agree: Notsofast
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  30. @A_Hand_Hidden

    The problem with such racial bioweapons is they aren’t fast enough. Once the target finds out, nukes fly.

  31. 迪路 says:
    @Kurt Knispel

    Sorry, we don’t want to have contact with Indians covered in feces.
    Indians have problems in their minds in every sense.

  32. Bankotsu says:

    The cherry on top is that India, despite western media’s hype as a counterbalance to China, proves it is just noise and can barely serve as a speed bump.

    I don’t know. India bombed Rawalpindi’s Nur Khan air base and there was nothing that Pakistan could do about it.

    Indian strike on Rawalpindi’s Nur Khan air base alarmed US, stoked fears that Pakistan’s nuclear HQ could be hit too: Report

    Of the three airbases India struck, the missile and drone attack on Nur Khan air base at Rawalpindi was the one that sent shivers down the Pakistan Army as the base is one of the central transport hubs for Pakistan’s military. The Nur Khan Air Base is situated less than 10 kilometres from Islamabad and adjacent to the country’s military headquarters. It is near the Benazir International Airport, which now houses Pakistan’s National Aerospace Centre alongside the base.

    The strike served as a warning that India could do huge damage as Nur Khan is not only the home to the air refuelling capability that kept Pakistani fighter jets in the air, but it is also near the headquarters of Pakistan’s Strategic Plans Division, which oversees and protects the country’s nuclear arsenal.

    A US official familiar with Pakistan’s nuclear programme told The New York Times that Pakistan’s deepest fear was of its nuclear command authority being decapitated. “The missile strike on Nur Khan could have been interpreted as a warning that India could do just that,” the unnamed US official added.

    https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2025/05/11/indian-strike-on-rawalpindi-s-nur-khan-air-base-alarmed-us-stoked-fears-that-pakistan-s-nuclear-hq-could-be-hit-too-report.html

    Pakistan Army Headquarters To Relocate After India’s Rawalpindi Attack? Exclusive

    “The deep penetration of Indian drones in Rawalpindi came a major shock. To avoid concentrating leadership and assets in one vulnerable location, the army is thinking of shifting Chinese-supplied HQ-9 and LY-80 systems,” said sources.

    Indian drones reportedly evaded detection by flying low-altitude routes or using stealth tech.

    https://www.news18.com/world/pakistan-army-headquarters-to-relocate-after-indias-rawalpindi-attack-exclusive-ws-kl-9333895.html

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  33. 迪路 says:
    @BlackFlag

    I think at least Islam is better than Hinduism to some extent.
    If you read too many Hindu scriptures, your eyes may be contaminated.

    • Replies: @FTB
  34. The author is ill-informed. The damage to Pak airfields is sufficient to prove that Chinese systems are no good in Rawalpinid,Karachi,Lahore,Saragodha,Sialkot,Bolari etc etc.. An Israeli Drone destroyed an HQ 9 in Karachi.A Chinese PL variety missile fell as a Dud in India.It is collected to prove how dangerous the Dud PL is for the User,and study China’s errors.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @FTB
  35. @A_Hand_Hidden

    Thanks, for hitting the nail directly on the head.

    Imho – the dust up in Kashmire, as well as the Trump team talks with Hamas are indications that some of the worlds players are soon going to be thrown under the bus.

    • Agree: JR Foley
  36. This was not the DeepSeek moment for modern air combat. The Houthis of Yemen repelling the Amerimutt navy and their vassal-allies was it.

    It’s not as if this brief escalation between India and Pakistan has shown the world that Chinese weapons are superior to everyone else, or something. But the fiasco in Yemen has shown that the Western air and naval power is useless against anyone beyond primitive sub-Saharan villagers.

  37. @Shitposter_in Chief

    Pakistan’s claims were confirmed by French intelligence.

  38. EEEWwwww says:
    @A_Hand_Hidden

    “Russia where weapons construction are state owned and are based on simplicity – so they’re cheaper and so a conscript half in the bag on potato vodka can operate it as opposed to the complexity of US systems because such complexity drives price and thus profits … this is why Russia can build a sub or fighter that actually works for 1/3 the cost of the West. Recall how the hapless Hoho’s needed extensive training in US ATGMs”

    What a word diarrhea.
    What is based on simplicity? Russian nuclear subs? SU 57? or Hypersonic rockets? Or S 500?
    This “technologically advanced” western BS exists only in Hollywood movies. Its overprices unnececcary overcomplicated designes.
    nd really technologically advanced are Russian high tech systems.

    It’s based on efficiency and real war-ready design.
    Half potato vodka are western conscripts.

  39. Super Pakis rule the skies! Now if, after pissing on India, they would take their air force to take out that little invasive patch to their west.

    • Replies: @Peace Light
  40. @K.V.Sadasivan

    And those fabulous Indian anti-matter weapons, as described, sort of, in the Baghavad Gita and numerous Bollywood epics, worked a treat, too.

    • Replies: @K.V.Sadasivan
  41. @CCKG

    Bullshit from stem to stern, as expected from this pathetic, compradore, troll.

    • Replies: @CCKG
  42. Owlistic says:

    Indians must fundamentally be understood as “form over substance” on important issues, it leads to shrill hysteria reconciling the gap.

    Just keep that in mind as a guiding principle

    They are terrified of china so they have rediscovered their psychological comfort zone of Pakistan, remember they have declared water as a weapon to Pakistan

    A pertinent question is how does the USA really view India as a useful hedge to anything really …..it’s a few decades in and time to assess.

    Pakistan is a china reinforced challenge to India so what the fudge will India do to china? Yes a speed bump

    Where does India stand?

    Scared of china, unable to build much of the good stuff itself, distancing from Russia and reluctant to be a USA F35 ally.

    Oh and hemmed in it’s own region by smaller nations

    How much lipstick can you put on…..

  43. @anonymous

    No doubt there is some “fog of war” surrounding the info coming out of the conflict zone. But one needs to compare Indian claims with what eventually pans out on the ground. If one spends time observing them, then one would notice that Indian claims are to be taken with a large handful of salt.

    In the last conflict in 2019, India kept denying any of its jets were shot down. Until the Pakistanis showed footage of a captured Indian pilot, who evidently enjoyed his stay with his captors and especially liked their “fantastic tea”.


    Video Link

    • Replies: @anonymous
  44. @bjondo

    The Pakistani military magazine you’re linking to gives 2 different versions as to when that encounter took place, first it says 26 April 1973 and a bit further down it says 26 April 1974.

    The last version is probably correct as the October/Ramadan/Yom Kippur war started on 6 October 1973.

    50 years and 1 day before the 7 October 2023 Hamas attack btw.

  45. A great civilisational clash of technologies. How fortunate we are that the belligerents’ eschewal of nuclear weapons enabled this enthralling spectacle and its soon-to-be interminable analysis.

  46. MoT says:

    If the Pakis were asking the US to “mediate” that’s not a sign of someone who’s winning at anything.

  47. 1951 says:

    Thank-you for this excellent article. France and the UK have delusions of greatness. France has been kicked out of several African nations recently, their looting of Africa has ended. France now has lost an air battle using their best fighter jet, competing against a second string Chinese fighter jet. Homosexual Starmer and Macron have their gayness in common. Hopefully they had a good buttfuck after they left Kiev. Along with Merz they certainly enjoyed their nose candy.

    • Thanks: JR Foley
    • Replies: @Malla
  48. At what point does this sort of thing transition into an all-out ai war, with no human input other than the war button being pushed? The future approaches at multi-Mach speeds.

  49. Ummmpph! says: • Website

    I don’t care about either of the participants in this contrived war.

    One of the many types of people I want is to keep out of America are non-Christian Indians and their Muslim Paki-brothers!

    Indians belong in India and not in America.

    Same thing applies to the South Africans Trump is bringing into the US on taxpayer’s dime to support them.

    South Africans belong in South Africa and not in America.

    • Agree: Ed Case, JohnnyGodYilmaz
  50. @mulga mumblebrain

    Pl don’t be cynical. Let us discus fact-based matters.

    • Replies: @Ummmpph!
  51. @Shitposter_in Chief

    Indian caste Nepotism extends to pilots and aircrew too.

  52. 迪路 says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    In fact, as a Chinese who has a very good understanding of Indian culture, even a revolution cannot solve the problem.
    Indian culture and the Indian race are both hopeless.
    India cannot be saved.
    Indian culture is very bad. From the perspective of moral standards, their heroes and deities would be regarded as clowns and shameless people in our culture.
    They need a 大西王 or 黄巢.
    You can try to translate this passage:
    天生万物与人,人无一物与天,杀杀杀杀杀杀杀!

    待到秋来九月八,我花开后百花杀。 冲天香阵透长安,满城尽带黄金甲。

    内库烧为锦绣灰,天街踏尽公卿骨!

    Anyway, it’s about killing.
    Keep fighting until all the middle and top levels in India are wiped out.
    Flow the river with blood;
    Pile up the corpses into a mountain;
    Build the city wall with bones.

    • Replies: @Ummmpph!
    , @Bankotsu
  53. Five aircraft shot down in BVR air combat is merely a wake-up call, that India needs to up its BVR capabilities. Dogfighting is the modern equivalent of trench warfare.

    It is interesting the the world’s #1 source of scammers was scammed out of $240m per copy for a French PoC that isn’t even in the same league as the F-35 Turducken.

  54. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    Dust Bin (aka Wah Wah Bin) is now an expert in war, specifically air combat. He is also familiar with integrated systems (Pakistan) and un-integrated systems (Pajeet Land) and who shot down who.

    I have to give him credit for this deep and wide knowledge. Since it lasted a few days, and it was a bunch of coolies beating on one another for a windswept, snow covered mountain area occupied by goats and nomads, his deep dive is to be admired.

    Military historians spend years “anal eyezing” and arguing over battles hundreds of years old. In some military schools Waterloo and Cannae are still taught and flogged. Further complicating analysis, theory and what ifs, is the fact that the protagonists are all LIARS. You have to dig through a sea of bullshit to get one crustacean of fact.

    Wah Wah can just look at a situation and hey presto, crack a fortune cookie (made in San Francisco) and deliver the scuttlebutt !

    Military historians, experts and retired Generals, almost all with extensive military careers, should consult with Wah Wah and save themselves paper, ink and time.

    Personally, I like a good story, you know, like Rudolph and Santa, Alice in Wonderland, Goldilocks etc. I can now add Wah Wah to my reading list.

    Unz is really scraping the bottom of the shit bowl (sorry I meant the rice bowl) for this site.


    Video Link

    • LOL: Jim H
  55. anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @littlereddot

    There is no need to get off topic by bringing up the 2019 loss of a fighter. Independent satellite imagery shows heavy damage to a key Pakistani air base. https://www.newsweek.com/satellite-images-damage-pakistan-air-base-nur-khan-india-strike-2070833

    The drones and/or cruise missiles used by India to attack the base could also be used by India against Chinese bases so it is important to look hard at the evidence that is emerging to identify if not enough attention was given by Chinese defense companies to developing good air defense.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @littlereddot
  56. @Kurt Knispel

    “… Pakistan to reintegrate, especially since China is said to be a very good teacher for weirdos crying Allah uh akbar…”

    Kurt you ignorant slut, The Muslims traded with China for over a millenia and opened south east asia without a sword, gun powder or opium. They spread Islam by their impacable business ethics.

    Read some history you dumb fuck and realize that without Moorish Spain, Europeans would still be eating with their fingers and would never have known what a five course meal is from a telescope.

    Your sense of supremacy is only dwarfed by your glaring ignorance.

    • Troll: Cloud Posternuke
  57. @Shitposter_in Chief

    When a guy who’s handle is “ShittPoster” calls a Chinese a supremacist, it initially engenders laughter at the irony.

    Then you go through the rest of his shitty logic and you can’t help but tag him as ShitheadPoster.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  58. @Notsofast

    Now, tell me Notsofast, how you really feel about the Euro-inbred pedophiles and their coke.

    • LOL: Notsofast
  59. @DGAF

    Passive voice does not always equal to competent thinking or better writing. For greater clarity, like major or minor scales in music, both are equally important. Bin’s version is to compare and DGAF’s version is to assert. It has nothing to do with competent thinking.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  60. Chaskinss says:
    @Anon

    That reply sounds pathognomic for a USian.

  61. Rich says:
    @nymom

    It depends on the objectives of the war. It was a mistake to try to occupy Iraq, an air campaign could have done enough damage without sending in ground troops, but medals had to be awarded, promotions granted and money made. The US air campaign in N Vietnam forced the communists to negotiate and ended the war (the results after American withdrawal notwithstanding). From what I’ve read, a strategic air campaign against China which would include bombing the Three Gorges Dam, would leave China completely defeated. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that and everyone keeps talking.

  62. America proper claims by serious media and MSM fanboi multi media to have an integrated all knowing combat system, its the penny pinching rationed allies that have the hodge podge of garbage bits and pieces.

  63. Most of the comments are anti India, pro China and Pakistan. So if Bin Hua is correct, notwithstanding reports from neutral observers to the contrary, regarding the superior Chinese weapons integrated with its AI capabilities then not only it has India and Israel but Europeans, Russians and Americans to worry about because none of them are going to take a backseat to the communist regime and their aims, whatever it maybe.

    This spat between India and Pakistan over the killing of 27 Hindu men in the Indian Kashmir by Pakistani Muslim terrorists may give China the bragging rights over its military might but will prove disastrous in the long run.

    Of course, given the combined power of China and Pakistan, brains and brawn if you will, the duo should be able to overcome all of their adversaries worldwide. Time will tell us.

  64. @Anon

    One does not have to an expert to notice that a country of 240M fought a country of 1.4B to a standstill.

    Only Uncle Sam rushing to the rescue (of NATO arms dealers) avoided more embarrassment.

    • Replies: @Anon
  65. Agent76 says:

    May 12, 2025 ‘Stopped India-Pakistan nuclear war…’: US President Trump drops bombshell on Indo-Pak conflict
    
    US President Donald Trump on Monday said that “my administration helped broker an immediate ceasefire” between India and Pakistan, leading to a halt in all military actions across land, air, and sea. Speaking at the White House Trump told reporters, “On Saturday, my administration helped broker an immediate ceasefire, I think a maybe permanent one between India and Pakistan – the countries having a lot of nuclear weapons.”


    Video Link

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  66. Ummmpph! says: • Website
    @K.V.Sadasivan

    Yikes!

    Another Indian fact: Who cares besides Indians?

    • Replies: @K.V.Sadasivan
  67. anon[127] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    https://www.deccanherald.com/india/india-requests-additional-s-400-missiles-from-russia-report-3538453

    Why does India need replacement of S-400 now? Did something happen to it as Pakistan claims to have and India says “no”?

    Pakistan much smaller and battered by 22 years war on terrorism, inflation, insurgency( like India about Pakistan says,Pakistan uses same playbook- terrorism is masterminded by India) has caused major disruptions,attacked large swath from Rajasthan-Gujrat to Kashmir, has caused powrr putage and attacked airports. Its drone been sighted over Delhi.

    But S- 400 is something to worry about. India by requesting replacement is only confirming that either it was not adequate or it has been damaged.

    Requesting replacement in the midst of war suggests that piece was destroyed.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  68. Well, weapons systems need to be tested, even Chinese ones.

    So what are the French going to do now? In the old days, their Mirages were very good. Looks like they haven’t been keeping up. Well done to them for scamming the Indians. Maybe they sold the Indians shoddy goods, factory rejects, and their own planes could still be good.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
    , @Poupon Marx
  69. IronForge says:

    Stick to Chinese Business and Economy.

    You’re out of your League; and it’s obvious that you’re too biased to make an intelligent assessment of this situation by NOT looking into the activities of Indian Forces.

    I’ve already read more useful accts elsewhere; and a Telegram Channel did a nice, quick summary of an engagement peculiar for this day and age.

    Just STFU.

    • Replies: @ebear
  70. @USA invades Israel

    The cockpit canopy on the J31 looks smaller therefore the plane is likely larger than the F35 thus more multitrole and less prone to overheating.

  71. @Agent76

    Trump the Peacemaker will take credit for all the peace in the world.

    But here he saved India’s ass. We want to see Pakilanders win decisively.

  72. Malla says:
    @Kurt Knispel

    The rift between India and Pakistan is understandable.
    Thank you Perfidious Albion – Jew occupied Angleland.

    Not really. The British tried till the very end to avoid the partition of British India.
    Second the war in between both the nations is Kashmir, which was a princely state during the Empire, that is not under direct rule of New Delhi (Government of India-British Raj). India and Pakistan have no issue where the Brits drew a line, they have issue in the one region (Kashmir) where the Brits did not draw the line.

  73. @anon

    Maybe S-400 are very effective and India needs more. Why would they be ordering them if they were proved to be useless?

    • Agree: Notsofast
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  74. Malla says:
    @dogbumbreath

    It was the British who intentionally drew incorrect borders (The McMahon Line) without consent or presence from ALL effected parties which is the cause for the conflict between China and India.

    False. Get your facts right. The McMahan line issue only affects one of the disputed region, Arunachal Pradesh or what the Chinese call “South Tibet”. The other region of contention in between India and China is Akshai Chin, in which case the Chinese illegally occupied land which originally belonged to the King of Kashmir, who decided to join India.

    • Replies: @anon
  75. @Ummmpph!

    The very fact that you replied shows many care about Indians!

    • Replies: @迪路
  76. Malla says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    You neglect the sepoy obsequious….lapse will preclude that.

    Retarded ramblings of a monkey.

    sepoy obsequiousness

    Low IQ Chinese propaganda. India in 1947 was taken over by freedom fighters who fought against the British Empire, they were anti-British revolutionaries. Cannot explain why India was a Soviet ally if India was sepoy. Indeed it was Pakistan which was a staunch American ally. And even China was a loyal sepoy of America against the USSR after Mao-Nixon meet.

    and you get a ruling class that hates most of its own population,

    Not really. Anyways it is the population, the masses who hate China and considers it an Imperialist whore. For the masses of Indians, China is the new Imperialist British Empire.

    despises the Moslem population

    Revolutionary decolonization, baby. For 800 years of Islamic colonisation, rape, plunder and destruction of India.

    Only a revolution could save India

    Like what? A Marxist/ Maoist revolution. Where Indians will kill 50 million of its own population via famine and chimpout and destroy 5000 years of Indian history in the Indian version of the Cultural Revolution? Nope! Indians are not that stupid.

  77. G. Poulin says:
    @Priss Factor

    It good, unless it rains. Then it no good.

  78. Anonymous[201] • Disclaimer says:

    This is a total bullshit article, not a single indian aircraft was taking down ,all Pakistan propaganda.

  79. Dr. Rock says:

    I cannot speak to the veracity of any of these claims, however-

    It is a fascinating possibility that just like the Spanish Civil War prior to WWII, that we have a grinding ground war in the Ukraine, testing modern tactics and especially the role of small disposable drones on the battlefield, and then in India-Pakistan, we get to wargame various air to air assets.

    Two popular sayings in the warfighting realm are-

    1- Generals always start by fighting the last war again, and
    2- You fight with the army you have, not the army you need.

    Without sounding too radical, I’d say that drones have changed the entire nature of ground force combat. Revolutionized it, in fact. We’ve seen the trenches, the field maneuvers, and the heavy application of artillery. Aircraft have played a role, so have medium and long range missiles.

    But none of that is new, and in fact, it’s all pretty old. But the drone usage? That’s a game changer! When you have small, disposable, small unit controllable drones, that are so cheap, that you can deploy them kill a single soldier, hiding in a building, or a trench, or some kind of bunker… well, what else do you need?

    Also, it appears that nobody can hide anymore, and this concerns me, as a survivalist-prepper type. What good is your gillie suit, with an infrared drone overhead? Sure, you can hide some troops in a highly wooded area, and they can get some protection, but the second you try to move them? Also, sitting in those woods, protected from the small drones is great, until you bring in the artillery.

    Add this to SAT imagery, or larger ISR drones, and what does the battle field look like then?

    Obviously, many of the older tech is still very relevant- Strategic bombers, ICBM’s, cruise missiles, and modern anti-aircraft missile systems, etc., (until Oreshnik?), but as soon as you bring the ground forces in, it’s drone time.

    I’d say that we have entered the next period of human warfare, and much of the old playbook, is obsolete!

    I also don’t think $100 million + fighter-bombers, and aircraft carriers are the path forward either. Especially if I can splash your $100 million fighter with a $10,000 drone, or sink your carrier, and all of it’s contents, with a $100,000 missile.

    Things have changed, and the US MIC is waaay behind, and grossly overpriced! We will never catch-up with the current contract pricing structure, it’s impossible! We can’t even modernize our aircraft at a reasonable pace.

    The F-35’s were so expensive, taking so long, and slow to deliver, that we opted for the F-15 EX, and guess what? They came in more expensive than the F-35’s.

    The US cannot win a war under this paradigm. At best, it can beat up some low tech third world shitholes, and stop there, since we can’t beat anyone on the ground either.

    We’re fucked!

    • Agree: Jim H
  80. Bama says:

    I would tell you Hua Bin, sir, China and the Far East must reject Jewish influence no matter the manner in which imposed. As the West declines because of its allowing a little Jewishness to become the master, so will they jump ship and continue to board Chinese vessels more and more. Open the door to them will bring a wall of water to overwhelm and deluge the East. I say this even knowing the Chinese mind is more suspecting and less open to invitation than other nations.

  81. @mulga mumblebrain

    How the ruling demons intend to accomplish it without being destroyed in return, really puzzles me.

    Perhaps that’s where the multiple huge underground DUMBs and cities come in…

  82. Ummmpph! says: • Website
    @迪路

    ALL Orientals should stay in the Orient.

    Keep Orientals out of America.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  83. Bama says:

    I would say Hua Bin that as the U.S. and West declines that Jewish interests will more and more turn toward the East, especially China. To open a hole in China’s wall to Jewish interests, no matter the imposing manner, will bring a deluge of damage to China’s progress. I say this knowing that the Chinese mind is not so susceptible to being turned as other nations.

  84. @anonymous

    Independent satellite imagery shows heavy damage to a key Pakistani air base.

    One destroyed building is not “heavy damage”.

    Here is what your own source says:

    Base infrastructure seems largely unharmed. We can see 2 IL-78/76 aircraft left on the apron. These aircraft show signs of overhaul or maintenance.

    The apron seems to be much emptier compared to Dec. 2024, indicating possible evacuation effort before the Indian strike.

    Do you have other sources that show more damage to show that the airbase is inoperational? Or any of the buildings are identified as critical to base operations? Or maybe the “precision” strike just blew up the camp latrine?

    If it just some random building destroyed, it sounds like you have bought into the usual Indian big-talking, boasting hoopla…..unless you happen to be Indian yourself.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  85. @Commentator Mike

    The French are blaming it on bad Indian pilots / tactics / whatever.

    Pakistani pilots are noted to be very skillful. So this might have something to do with their success also. I think Hua Bin should have made this known in his article in order to put things in a fairer perspective.

  86. @Kurt Knispel

    Kurt Knispel’s typically brainwashed nonsense “China is said to be a very good teacher for weirdos crying Allah uh akbar”. So far the “crying Allah O Akber weirdos” have kicked our loud brash mouth pieces American and the yellow bellied “Coalition of the Willings” asses big time in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yamen etc. What happened to our ignorantly idiotic hype of “exceptional people”, “most advanced and powerful defense forces”, bla bla bla? Remember Vietcongs? How they decimated and humiliated us!! So sitting on a high horse with very weak legs doesn’t get us too far for “Allah O’ Akber weirdos” riding Afghani donkeys kicked our asses big time so get real! I was in Iraq for 5 years and helped ease the pain of our crying and weeping soldiers who had no idea of what we were doing in Iraq! Wanna test you steel of what you are made of? Try and pick a fight with an Afghani or an Iraqi who will knock reality into your thick American ignorant head!

  87. Malla says:
    @1951

    their looting of Africa has ended.

    Looting of Africa? France looting Africa is pure B.S. That place is a shithole, France lost money on that place even during the French Empire, let alone after the Empire. France kept its influence there so has to have some global influence independent of the USA, France has been one country which was never very comfortable with the American domination with the NATO system. Indeed, Russia poking its nose in the North African shithole was a stupid mistake because France like many Western European countries either looks out of Europe into the Francophile World or into Europe. France conquered a large chunk of Northern Africa after being humiliated by the Germans in the Franco-Prussian War. So to let off some steam, to mend wounded French pride a bit, foolishly decide to conquer some shithole in Northenr Africa and then spent money in trying to civilize the uncivilizable place. But now as Russia foolishly got France out of the place, means only one thing, France will not concentrate within Europe, which means Ukraine.

    • Troll: showmethereal
    • Replies: @1951
    , @Poupon Marx
  88. Bally says:

    Well, that looks like a loss for Western arms dealers… which is a win for world peace.

    Nobody’s going to think twice anymore.

    Everyone’s furious with the West for perpetrating a cleansing of Palestinian children, and if their tech sucks ass on top of that. Then it’s a no-brainer, buy Chinese.

    1) High-quality morally-conscious business rates Chinese products
    2) Low-quality morally-repugnant exploitative Western products

    Not a choice at all if you think about it for half a second.

    As for Pakistan, as we can see from the aftermath and the rage of Indian society (I am of Indian descent myself), this victory was MUCH needed.

    Indians have gotten utterly irrationally hateful.

    Doesn’t every Chinese/Japanese martial arts movie have a quote saying to “never disrespect your enemy” and “never hate your enemy” for strong emotions cloud one’s judgement?

    Well, clearly Indians haven’t seen any of those. As they’ve committed that mistake en masse.

  89. @One Nobody

    Shithead is appropriate. Along with other very low intelligence, low knowledge, and stunted emotional development, they add nothing but dog poop on the sidewalk. Poupon these people.

  90. @Proteus Procrustes

    you underestimate chinese strength we are the fastest race agility cat tiger reflexes punch way above our weight chinese and se asians are the best athletes in the world,north subcons like eros are slow and weak the south indians with less euro input are better athletes and stronger problem is they dont know how to fight and avoid confrontation

  91. @Priss Factor

    ok small headed british go straighten your red hair bufoon’ btw why are the software guys in silicon valley all non british

  92. Malla says:
    @One Nobody

    Read some history you dumb fuck and realize that without Moorish Spain, Europeans would still be eating with their fingers and would never have knrbageown what a five course meal is from a telescope.

    Pure garbage propaganda. Moorish Spain was created via wealth looted from Europe. All this garbage fake history was invented by retarded Western Orientalists, retarded Western professors and Brits like Walter Scot (a great novelist, but a novelist none the less-invented the myth of “noble” Saladin). And all this was done very recently.
    Raymond Ibrahim, an Egyptian, went to the original sources and discovered the doctoring of history by slimeball, lying, philo-Muzzie Western academicians.

    Islam Exposed: The History They Don’t Want You to Know – Raymond Ibrahim

    Historian and author Raymond Ibrahim joins The Winston Marshall Show for a powerful, eye-opening conversation on the hidden history of Islam’s conquest of the Christian world—and why so few dare to speak about it today.
    Raymond traces the rapid Islamic expansion following Muhammad’s death, showing how, within just one century, Muslim armies had violently overrun three-quarters of the original Christian world—from Syria and Egypt to Spain and deep into Europe.
    He dismantles the myth of Andalusian “tolerance,” reveals the brutal realities behind the so-called Islamic Golden Age, and explains how the Islamic conquests shattered the Mediterranean world.
    Raymond explores the modern censorship around Christian persecution, the resurgence of historical jihadist rhetoric, and the urgent lessons today’s leaders refuse to learn.

    All this—the real story of the Crusades, the lost Christian heartlands, the enduring legacy of conquest, and the history the mainstream media won’t touch…

    • Thanks: Cloud Posternuke
  93. @Miro23

    already did chinese ew bested the vaunted american growler system in s china seas made americans backoof

  94. @Malla

    You know, M., most things in the world can be classified as similar in various related ways, like the descending subject headings of an expository writing; as taught to all middle school pupils – along with diagramming a sentence – many many years ago, before the rot set in and society inverted itself [in the West] putting the Bottom at the Top. Everything is connected and taxonomous.

    And so, like a metastasized malignancy we are doomed in the West unless [very unlikely] we reverse this. These series are so relevant and clear headed:

    Why Stupid People are Destroying Society – The Laws of Human Stupidity

  95. If the United States tries to go to war with China they will get curb stomped.
    The South China Sea will be red with Zio-goy blood.
    While it’s probably true that China likewise cannot invade the US, they don’t need to. American domestic norms are perfectly capable of destroying the United States on their own.

  96. @Priss Factor

    Amazing!

    If 1% of Chinese people have such creativity, the would be adversaries of China are in deep trouble.

  97. @Commentator Mike

    Swedish or French. How would anyone presume that these micro-countries could equal the tech advances of giant resources of Russia or China. Sheeeit, even the Jew Midnight States can’t keep up. Nonetheless, UAE was set to sign a contract for Rafael Raul Rotten Jets from Franche. Stupid.

    Russians are very hard headed. Anything they produce has to equal or outdo a competitor. They will do whatever it takes to achieve this goal.

  98. Soon we will need no soldiers in the field just saturate with drones in the air and strategically placed IEDs or more complicated mines on the ground. AI will position these cheap weapons. Probably electronic disruptors will become more important to stop communications with such weapons.

    Not so long ago several US ships were incapacitated (and sailors died) by running into garbage barges.
    Light weight solar-powered “immobile, invisible” blimps may make fighter jets and bombers obsolete as warships seem to be.

  99. @ghali

    India is a popular destination for Israeli IDF soldiers to indulge in Ganja. They go there for extended periods, especially to Goa on the western coast and Kasol, Dharmkot etc., in the Himalayan foothills.

    With the world, especially East Asia kicking their ass, and accusations of war crimes, they will now flood India (a friend of Israel).

    Israelis have bought properties and created ‘no go zones’ for Indians in India. India should stop these apartheid practices. In fact banning these war criminals from India would be welcomed by all secular and liberal people.

    • Replies: @ghali
  100. 1951 says:
    @Malla

    France was paying Niger 1 Euro for a kg of uranium ore. The market value was $220 Euro.

    “The given scenario describes a significant disparity between what France paid for uranium ore from Niger and its actual market value. France was paying a negligible amount (1 Euro per kg) compared to the market price of 220 Euro per kg. This indicates a pattern of resource extraction where France was exploiting Niger’s resources for a price far below its true value.”

    • Replies: @Malla
  101. Malla says:
    @littlereddot

    The French are blaming it on bad Indian pilots / tactics / whatever

    Very true. I do not think the pilots were adequately trained like the Pakistani ones. Also, the kind of maneuvers they were doing to bomb the terrorist sites made them vulnerable to being hit.

    A French/ Canadian ex-military pilot analyses the air battle in between India and Pakistan in great detail here below. He has many flying hours on the Rafale. So he knows what he is talking about.
    The video is in French but dubbed in English.

    HAS AN INDIAN RAFALE BEEN LOST TO PAKISTAN?–ATE CHUET

    In the very beginning, he says that French and Canadian pilots are always thought to be very humble, as humility makes it easy to constantly learn new lessons with every flight. But I doubt Indian pilots kind of lacked this……humility.

    • Thanks: littlereddot
    • Replies: @BlackFlag
    , @Notsofast
  102. @CCKG

    China was poorer than India in the 1970s and 80s thanks to the mother fucker Mao’s mismanagement. China only began to take off in 1993 when Deng once …

    You are an incurable idiot.

    In the 1940’s China was the POOREST country in the world– thanks for the mother fucker Cash My-cheque’s selling out of China.

    “Mao was absolutely right not to” make China match India “because China was much poorer than India and China needed time to build up strength to over take India”:

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-u-s-china-conundrum/#comment-7117500

    Chiang was absolutely right not to fight Japan immediately because China was much weaker than Japan and China needed time to build up strength to fight Japan.

    Events have since proved that Mao was right. Today, China is streets ahead of India!

    • Replies: @CCKG
    , @CCKG
  103. @Rich

    “The US air campaign in N Vietnam forced the communists to negotiate and ended the war…”

    It’s interesting how people can have such radically different perspectives on the same event. I have never heard your thesis stated before; maybe I should spend more time at the Nixon Center.

    There’s an Indian parable of the three blind men and the elephant.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Avery
  104. India and Pakistan ~ Tug of war of the century LOL.

  105. anon[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    The other region of contention in between India and China is Akshai Chin, in which case the Chinese illegally occupied land which originally belonged to the King of Kashmir, who decided to join India.

    It didn’t belong to the king of Kashmir. It was all Brits. It had nothing to do with the king of Kashmir.
    …………………………………………………………………

    In 1895, the British envoy to Kashgar told the Chinese Taotai that Aksai Chin was a “loose name for an ill-defined, elevated tableland”.

    Because of its 5,000-metre (16,000 ft) elevation, the desolation of Aksai Chin meant that it had no human importance.[20]

    This border, along the Karakoram Mountains, was proposed and supported by British officials for a number of reasons. The Karakoram Mountains formed a natural boundary, which would set the British borders up to the Indus River watershed while leaving the Tarim River watershed in Chinese control, and Chinese control of this tract would present a further obstacle to Russian advance in Central Asia.[32] The British presented this line, known as the Macartney–MacDonald Line, to the Chinese in 1899 in a note by Sir Claude MacDonald. The Qing government did not respond to the note.[33] According to some commentators, China believed that this had been the accepted boundary.[34]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aksai_Chin

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  106. @Malla

    Resources, man, resources.

    • Replies: @Malla
  107. Malla says:
    @littlereddot

    And talking of humility, in a way this incident, if true, is going to force the arrogant Indian to eat humble pie.

    There is this cunt Sumit Peer, hardcore Indian Nationalist, and he is very close to the Hindutva Government in power. He is a powerful man in India, well connected.

    China का End Game: सबसे बड़ी महामारी, Xi Jinping का सूर्यास्त,Thailand में सनसनीखेज कांड • सुमित पीर

    You can always see him look down on the quality of Chinese weapons, he arrogantly looks down on Chinese weapon systems. Indians for some weird reason, have always underestimated the intellectual and martial/ physical capabilities of the Chinese. And paid the price, like in 1962. Indeed, I will go on to say that Indians ALWAYS underestimate the intellectual and martial/ physical capabilities of all East Asians and also Whites. At the same time, they respect stuff made by Whites and East Asians. Like Russian tanks, German cars, Japanese products etc…. These two opposite tendencies exist all at once inside the Indian mind. Very strange. Some day ago some taxi driver was farting that Japan was building some bridge but they were facing some issue they could not solve, Indian engineers went and solved it, boasted the Delhi taxi driver (it was all B.S.). Indians at once underestimate the capabilities of Whites and East Asians and also admire products made by these two groups, as if they imagine that it is Indians in the West/Russia or East Asia are making these awesome products. I think Indians look at both Whites and East Asians as posh, hi-fi, good looking shallow races, all show and no substance.
    I think, the early Indians underestimated the Europeans including the British and when they got their asses whooped, and saw how the British mostly always winning in battle and only then became loyal to them. Similarly, they underestimated the Chinese in 1962. Just some years ago there were air exercises in between Indian and British pilots, in between the Indian Air Force and Royal Air Force, Indian media farted that each time the Indians (super genius super talented) “hit” the Royal Air force planes (show people-Whites), you can search this on the internet. Whole country celebrated, “We told you, we Indians are the most talented super capable people on Earth”. Later on, I came to know that the Royal Air force planes were purposely flying with many “handicaps” on, to allow the Indian pilots to get them. One RAF spokesperson even said that this was for “domestic propaganda purposes.”
    ON THE OTHER HAND, Indians ADMIRE Jews and Jewish capabilities. In the Indian mind, Jews are the only other super human race then them, they think Jews can make no mistakes. And India blindly tries to copy Israel, what Indians ignore (even if told) that Israel gets a lot of help from the West, and the Israelis get away with things which no other country on Earth can get away with. So the Indians decided to blindly copy Israel, and Israeli Mossad and Indian RAW, the Indian Secret Service tried to assassinate Khalistani separatists in Canada and the USA. I am sure the Indian RAW underestimated the dumb Whitey American and Canadian intelligence. End result, one operation in Canada succeeded, but the Indians got caught with their pants down and the one in USA spectacularly failed and was foiled by the CIA. This destroyed Into-Canadian relations as the Indians started acting very arrogant towards the Canadians but could not do the same to the more powerful USA and now the USA has leverage over India. Because Indians JUST BLINDLY copy everything the great masta, Israel does. You cannot make this shit up.

    • Thanks: NeverTrustaWizard
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  108. Anon[410] • Disclaimer says:

    Everyone here, just like me, have no idea whether India or Pakistan won the war. We all are just reading stories on the internet, without personally witnessing anything. I’ve read one story that India bombed many Pakistani military bases and thus won the war. Is it a lie? I will never know, and none of you will ever know. I am curious to know why the internet stories are not saying that the war is going on until one nation 100% loses. Why are the stories not saying that India and Pakistan are not fighting right now until one side is 100% collapsed? If India is stronger, like the internet story I read said, why did they quit the war? Why not bomb the entire infrastructure of Pakistan until the entire population dies off, like supposedly the Palestinians, and then replace all of the third-world Brown Muslims in Pakistan with third-world Brown Hindus? Why did India back off? If India backed off, what was the point of the war? If India is stronger, then why don’t they just once and for all finish off Pakistan? Once they make Pakistan 100% third-world Brown Hindu, then India’s mortal enemy China becomes much weaker since they will have lost Pakistan as an ally. Forget the nukes, no Gentile nation will ever use nukes because all Gentile elites don’t have the genetics to sacrifice themselves for “the greater racial glory.” Only the non-Gentiles have this ability, and they proved in in WWII.

    Again, why won’t India just finish off Pakistan? Why not destroy their entire infrastructure, bombing all their energy, food, water, and medicine supplies, causing the entire population to die off, like Israel is supposedly doing to the Palestinians? The internet says that India’s Modi “is in bed with Netanyahu,” so why not then use Israeli tactics on Pakistan?

    • Replies: @EdwardM
  109. MarLuc7 says:

    “Great Britain’s formal withdrawal from India and the granting of independence took place on August 15, 1947. This date is a key moment in the history of both India and Pakistan, as it marked the end of British rule and the beginning of these nations as independent entities.”

    I used to be in the Aviation Field. My company sold TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) to the Indian MOD. As a Customer Support Engineer, I was sent to Kanpur India –to the Indian Ministry of Defence, for 11 days of Integration support and Flight Testing. Mind you, the TCAS was installed in the lowly DOR-228 ……but I got a glimpse into the workings of the Indian MOD and the Indian culture.

    I have never seen such shoddy workmanship in my life. Not just in Aviation, but in every trade going on in that town (Welding, Construction, Brick Laying, Transportation, Hotel Industry, Mechanic shops, Farming….).

    There seemed to be ZERO City Planning and logical Urban Development. I stayed at what the Indians called a 5 Star Hotel in Kanpur. We would call it a 2 Star Motel 6 in a bad section of town.

    My cab was mobbed by throngs of homeless children (4 year old toddlers) crying and begging. The human misery, starvation, panic and desperation in their eyes.

    The indifference to human suffering was enraging. None of these fellow Indians gave two shits about any of the starving children. This most certainly was not a majority Christian nation.

    [MORE]

    There were very little Social Services in India —if any at all. As a young woman your entire future relies on your husband and his family. If your husband dies…there is no one to replace his income —-you and your children end up on the street begging.

    The culture of the Indian MOD was extremely hierarchical. The Officers expected to be treated as Gods. They were Peacocks strutting around and all the enlisted people were peasants. I suspect all of India still follows the ancient Caste System.

    I was pulled aside by my guide and carefully instructed how to address and speak to their officer class. They demanded extreme deference….I was told not to make direct eye contact for too long because they considered it rude.

    —————————————————————————————————————–

    Military ranks are filled from the larger population. India has a Substandard Culture. Any shiny new weaponry delivered to India will quickly fall into disrepair because the Indians take no pride in their workmanship. Pompous Indian Officer Corps are a “Big Fish in a very Small Pond”. They rule supreme over their fellow Peasants but cannot compete against the high standards of training and proficiency of other Militaries.

    There is a whole career field choice in India called, “Municipality Sweepers”. After hundreds of years of progress…this is the technology they use. For fucks sake. At what point do you say….maybe I can make this broom a little more efficient???

  110. @Commentator Mike

    Indeed, it looks like the S-400 system Pakistan claims to have destroyed is still standing

    https://southfront.press/indian-pm-poses-in-front-of-s-400-system-at-air-base-attacked-by-pakistan/

    Indians want more of a good thing.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  111. @Malla

    Cannot explain why India was a Soviet ally if India was sepoy.

    To paraphrase the Netanji, “the question Nehru (= Soviet) or Bose (= Germany)
    will be decided by who wins the war; but India will be free anyway”.
    Of course the many who fellated the Perfidious had precious little say
    after independence.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  112. Malla says:
    @anon

    It didn’t belong to the king of Kashmir. It was all Brits. It had nothing to do with the king of Kashmir.

    Yes, it did belong to the King of Kashmir, Kashmir was a Princely state within the British Empire. The British had only nominal control in Princely states, they were mostly independent, with many having their own coinage and even railways. The Indian Empire was British India + Princely States. The British were involved because they wanted to mark the maximum extent of the Empire, but they were in touch with the King of Kashmir. Before the British, the Sikhs had conquered Ladakh region of Tibet and that is why it is in India.
    From your source
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aksai_Chin
    Akshai Chin is an extension of Ladakh or is next to Ladakh.
    Ladakh, was conquered in 1842 by the armies of Raja Gulab Singh (Dogra) under the suzerainty of the Sikh Empire.[22][23] The British defeat of the Sikhs in 1846 resulted in the transfer of the Jammu and Kashmir region including Ladakh to the British, who then installed Gulab Singh as the Maharaja under their suzerainty. The British appointed a boundary commission headed by Alexander Cunningham to determine the boundaries of the state. Chinese and Tibetan officials were invited to jointly demarcate the border, but they did not show any interest.[24] The British boundary commissioners fixed the southern part of the boundary up to the Chang Chenmo Valley, but regarded the area north of it as terra incognita.

    MALLA: Gulab Singh was the King of Kashmir and Ladakh (as well as Akshai Chin and othe rplaces like Gilgit-Baltistan) was within his Kashmir Kingdom.
    …snip….

    Johnson presented this line to the Maharaja of Kashmir, who then claimed the 18,000 square kilometres contained within,[26][unreliable source?] and by some accounts territory further north as far as the Sanju Pass in the Kun Lun Mountains. The Maharajah of Kashmir constructed a fort at Shahidulla (modern-day Xaidulla), and had troops stationed there for some years to protect caravans.[27]

    ————————

    So when the Maharaja of Kashmir acceded to the newly independent India in October 1947, his whole kingdom, including Aksai Chin became part of India and the Indian nation.

  113. @One Nobody

    “Read some history you dumb fuck and realize that without Moorish Spain, Europeans would still be eating with their fingers and would never have known what a five course meal is from a telescope.”

    So if the Moors had all these great innovations, how come they never did much with them?

    Indeed, your comment reminds me of the following twitter exchange between Joseph T. Nooney and Steve Sailer that I think is telling.

    On Sep 10, 2020 Joseph T Noony wrote:

    “Calculus was stolen from India by Jesuit missionaries under Matteo Ricci and Christopher Clavius. Newton’s teacher Issac Barrow directly studied in Italy under these Jesuit thieves. The knowledge lineage descends from India. The racist and bigoted west simply will not accept.”

    Steve Sailer replied:

    “If only somebody in India had thought to make more than one copy of calculus so that when Matteo Ricci stole it, you would still have your own copy. But instead, Father Ricci evidently made off with the only copy of “How to Do Calculus” in the whole world.”

    • Replies: @One Nobody
  114. Wokechoke says:
    @Malla

    While Islam was most certainly imposed on Spain, there are definitely questions about why it was so easy for Arab armies to roll over Byzantium, Mesopotamia, Egypt and Persia. Muslims must have been viewed early on as the lesser of two evils in several areas. And possibly kinsmen in the core Middle East. In Spain the Visigoths resented by Iberians were all too easy to displace. How similar sounding was Islam to certain aspects of Christianity in the 600s?

    • Disagree: One Nobody
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Rich
    , @Tarrasik
  115. Malla says:
    @anon

    OK to make it clearer to you and everyone here.

    This is the map of British Indian Empire, at the eve of Indian and Pakistani Independence.

    The Reddish Brown areas were Princely States, in which the British had indirect rule and the Princely states had suzerainty (semi-independent) and more or less looked after their own affairs with only some direction from the Viceroy, represented by a British resident in the Princely State. The British directly ruled in the rest of the territories. Kashmir was a semi-autonomous Princely State. And its territory included Akshai Chin as you can see in the map. The Princely States swore fealty to the Imperial Family of India (the British Royal Family) via the representative of the Imperial Family, the Viceroy of India. So for all practical purposes, the Viceroys were de facto Emperors of India. But they were not part of British India. So when India and Pakistan got Independence, they were never part of it.
    So what were these Princely states to do now, the British gave a fair judgment they could either join India, either join Pakistan or remain Independent as they were. But for Indian anti-colonial revolutionary nationalists and Pakistani nationalists, independence of these Princely States was not an option, they more or less bullied all these Princely states to either join India or Pakistan, that is did not give a f@@k about what the British said, as far as they were concerned, the British had overstayed their stay, they were to leave and they should not interfere in the actions of the nationalists and the commie pussy Government of British PM Clement Attlee buckled against the Indian and Pakistani nationalist hot heads.
    These Indian and Pakistani Nationalist hotheads immediately after getting their own independence, got busy taking away the independence of these Princely States. At times using cunning, at times using military action. India used military force against Hyderabad, cunning against kingdoms in the North East, invite the King to come for negotiation and then hold a gun to the King’s head and force him to sign his kingdom to India. And very soon the Indians were blessed with separatist movements from throughout the North East, especially the Nagas. So the anti-colonial Indian revolutionaries, now in power, were brutally suppressing the independence revolutions of other peoples. How’s that.
    The truth is, revolutionary Indian nationalists hated these Kings and monarchy and looked at them as snobs and relics of a bygone era. The future will be revolutionary and for the people, not some stupid Kings, shouted Indian nationalist anti-colonial Congress revolutionaries, now having gained power.
    The Pakistanis did the same in their region, most notably in the Kingdom of Kalat, use cunning and raw invasion to force it into Pakistan. Now that is where the Pakistanis are facing constant Baloch Independence movement revolutions, Kalat was Balochistan. So greedy India and greedy Pakistan disregarding the wisdom of the British Indian administrators, Indian revolutionaries hating rich posh monarchs, having a pussy Communist British PM Attlee who did not want to support the Princely States, there two newly independent nations were greedily sucking away these Princely States like a Vacuum Cleaner, finally these two vacuum cleaners clashed into each other in one of the last remaining Princely State, Kashmir.
    And it is for this Kashmir that these two nations have fought wars, hated each other, have nukes aimed at each other and all the drama.

  116. @Lin

    I had to look it up but the Chinese actually flew their first supersonic fighter
    (J-6, 1959) two years before the Indians (HF-24, 1961); but while the
    J-6 was little more than a repainted MiG, the Marut (for those with a taste for
    irony) was designed by Kurt Tank, the genius behind the Focke-Wulf 190 😁

    I like the J-10 – it´s the cutest F-16 class fighter out there; but if I read the reports
    right it was a matter of superior engagement range (the Rafale is slightly newer but
    the missiles are not) iow the Indians got overconfident (“Bharat Fuck Yeah! What
    are these carpet-worshipping cow-murdering Çandala against Us the True Aryans?”)
    and it was a one-off; we´ll see where the real equilibrium settles.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  117. @NewsJunkie

    Passive voice does not always equal to competent thinking or better writing. … Bin’s version is to compare and DGAF’s version is to assert.

    I suggest that the comparison/assertion distinction is an overstatement. Whatever one thinks of DGAF’s manners—granted, they are pretty deplorable—the plain fact is that neither he nor Hua Bin used the passive. Both sentences are active-voice constructions.

    DGAF’s replacement sentence does indeed clarify Hua Bin’s point, but I doubt whether readers who speak and read English fluently needed further clarification.

  118. Xavier says:
    @Malla

    Revolutionary decolonization, baby. For 800 years of Islamic colonisation, rape, plunder and destruction of India.

    That should then lead to a disintegration of modern India and the reemergence of small, independent states divided along lines of ethnicity, language, and caste. That is the default order of things since India isn’t China. India has no universal/civilizational ethic, as Max Weber noted. Breaking up India would be like a return to nature.

    and chimpout and destroy 5000 years of Indian history in the Indian version of the Cultural Revolution?

    In India’s case, that might be an improvement. A clean slate. But it wouldn’t matter given how ingrained hinduism’s rot is.

    • Replies: @Malla
  119. Ace says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Race hatred has nothing to do with it.

  120. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @A_Hand_Hidden

    A ‘bio weapon’ to ‘kill Slavs’ would kill all Europeans.

  121. Malla says:
    @1951

    France was paying Niger 1 Euro for a kg of uranium ore. The market value was $220 Euro.

    Really? Who cooked up these figures? Do you have direct evidence?

    Then why did only 20% of French Uranium come from the Niger? If Nigeran Uranium was so cheap, why did France buy Uranium from other countries at expensive rates? About 37% of France’s Uranium comes from Kazakhstan, 20 % from Niger, 16% from Namibia, 14% from Australia and 13% from Uzbekistan. Why would France buy any Uranium from these other countries, with the largest supplier being Kazakhstan if they were getting SUCH CHEAP Uranium from Niger? They would have procured 100% of their Uranium from Niger, at such a cheap price. Why buy expensive Australian Uranium, if you are getting super cheap Nigeran Uranium???Obviously these figures are bullshit.
    This is actually a false news being spewed about low IQ Marxist crakpots and low IQ Afro-nationalist crackpots, who are convinced with the false idea what European Empires impoverished Africa, while the opposite was always the truth.
    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/niger-did-not-hike-uranium-price-200-euros-per-kg-after-2023-coup-2023-10-17/
    Fact Check: Niger did not hike uranium price to 200 euros per kg after 2023 coup

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliasferrerbreda/2023/09/12/more-rumours-what-is-really-happening-with-nigers-uranium/
    More Rumours: What Is Really Happening With Niger’s Uranium?

    Once more, rumours circulate surrounding Niger and its uranium industry. First, it was falsely said that the new military regime, which took power in July, banned exports of uranium and gold, alongside Mali and Burkina Faso. Allegations also went around that France was fully dependent on Nigerien uranium, and others that it was practically irrelevant. This debate was tackled in our article.

    Some accounts on social media are now circulating the claim that Niger has lifted prices from €0.80 per kilogram to €200. So far, there is no evidence for this beyond themselves quoting each other. The claim seems to trace back to a small digital outlet in Nigeria. Embarrassingly, the website has been confused as being from Niger itself.
    Niger never sold €0.80 a kilogram, and there are no primary sources talking about a new price being set at €200. As in other countries, the ore was being sold near global market prices, which at the time of writing hover around $56 per pound (around €114 per kilogram). In fact, it would make little sense if the government in Niamey was able to set prices. Mining firms extract the ore, and the state holds minority stakes in projects through Sopamin (Société du Patrimoine des Mines du Niger).

    So some Afro-nationalist fartpig in Nigeria, who had no idea of the Uranium industry or had probably never been to the country of Niger, up North, just farted some random figures out of his diseased used ass, and it went viral among Commies and Afro-nats, both of them extremely retarded types. The names Niger and Nigeria, both completley different countries, confused these retards. Niger is up in the Sahel and Nigeria is down to the south, touching the coast.

    • Replies: @1951
  122. Rich says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    The anti-Nixon media and the poor education standards in the West have left many people ignorant of the actual events in Vietnam and the end of that war. The false narrative of an American defeat is almost universally believed by the ignorant masses now, although I try and do my part to educate as many as possible.

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
  123. BlackFlag says:
    @nokangaroos

    But the French fighter plane has a more fashionable name. What is with these awkward names like ALxY- $! -391c? Look at “Rafale” – smooth, rolls off your tongue, visually appealing, and memorable. French flair. Design must have been assisted by one of those marvelous French firms (Louis Vuitton, Chanelle) which the Chinese go mad for. Got to be worth half of the 250mm USD price. After all, this was the largest dogfight in 50 years which means these contraptions are rarely even used.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  124. BlackFlag says:
    @Malla

    Well, this guy seems like a good source. I’m surprised by how many views his videos get. Must be more war nerds out there than I had thought.

    But, Rafale is manufactured by Dassault Aviation with a revenue of 6B USD. 60% of its income comes from sale of Rafales. Plus, the French govt is likely interested as well. Add to that, the natural bias of men for their nation and that of techies for their gear. Besides, why would be expect Pakistani pilots to be better than Indian ones? Are their training programs radically different?

    I’d just take the results on their face: another data point indicating that Chinese military tech has, at least, reached the level of the West’s.

    • Replies: @迪路
    , @showmethereal
  125. Malla says:
    @Wokechoke

    You need to take the trouble of listening to this interview. Raymond Ibrahim is himself an Arab from Egypt, he speaks and writes Arabic, it is his mother tongue. All your claims might have been fabricated pro-Muslim fake history, fabricated by shitty Western academics. He also talks about how once upon a time Protestants became pro-Muslims because in their minds, the Muslims were fighting the Catholics, the evil papacy, the evil whore of Babylon..whatever. etc.. Come to think about, it Protestantism (but less so for Anglicanism/ Episcopalianism) is comparatively similar to Islam especially Sunni islam, as they are both people who stress the holy book, Bible and Koran, respectively
    Most of these fabrications, were done very recently.
    What he says that pro-Muzzi Western academicians cherry-picked information from original sources, which went with their ideology, ignored a lot of information which did not flatter Muslims and then twisted that further to suit their ideological dogmas. But when Raymond looked into those original Arabic sources, he is Arab remember, he got a completely different picture of history, nearly opposite to what is going on academia. These lies have become the base of academic research now. He also looked in many original Armenian and texts in other languages. Whenever Christians liberated Christians from Muslim control, they always celebrated and thanked the Christian armies with all their hearts, with men and women crying with joy. He takes the case of the Armenians and Greeks of Oddesa, who kissed the hands of the Frankish Army who had liberated from Islamic rule.
    As far as Spain, whenever Muslims were frustrated in battle with Northern Christians up in Asturia and what not, they would take their frustration on innocent Christians living inside their realms.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @One Nobody
  126. anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:
    @littlereddot

    https://www.newsweek.com/satellite-images-damage-pakistan-air-base-nur-khan-india-strike-2070833

    I consider the description of damage by the third party analyst to qualify as heavy. “Symon identified destroyed sections and associated structural impacts, reinforcing claims that the base was rendered temporarily inoperable.”

    I also find your response to be obnoxious. Raising concerns about whether the Chinese air defense system have shortcomings and need to be fixed does not make one Indian. Your in ability to explore this question shows an inability to identify problems which leads to bigger problems.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  127. @Bama

    The Jewintern controlling China as they control the West? NO CHANCE, EVER!

  128. @Malla

    You are (semi)living proof of the sepoy/Brahmin/Hindutva mind-set that condemns India to perpetual second-rateness, before its collapse. ‘All hat, worships cattle’. When is the destruction of the Taj Mahal, a la Ayodhya, scheduled?

  129. @Rich

    Nothing like a Big Mouth Yank, is there. Vietnam beat you, loser, despite you slaughtering four million Vietnamese. Will you ever admit it?
    Bomb the Three Gorges (there’s the Yankee genocidal drive, again) and kiss good-bye to the Hoover, Grand Coulee, Fort Peck etc. How do you run a ‘strategic air campaign’ against a peer with a very sophisticated defence system? China’s NOT Grenada, you cretin.

    • Replies: @Rich
  130. ghali says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    It is very true. Jewish soldiers who committed heinous crimes against women and children are now “recuperating” in Sri Lanka, New Zealand, and Thailand (no visa for Jews). In fact, most of the drugs, paedophilia and prostitution industries in these countries are now controlled by Jews.

  131. @Malla

    I cannot but draw comparison to the (never completed) German unification;
    in that case the solution was simple – fuck the princes – and still it took Moltke´s
    “blood and iron” to even get started. India has a lot more diversity and no real
    previous history (as an empire) so what´s the point of German national romanticism
    propping up an empire created by foreign colonizers?
    In hindsight we may say that Jinnah was right, but the nature of an empire is
    that it cannot be a nation-state (at least not in the short term – we don´t want to
    go full Qin Shi-Huang Ti).

    • Thanks: Malla
  132. @BlackFlag

    One thing that influenced the Indian decision is the Rafale is carrier-capable and
    reasonably priced, but the Louis Vuitton factor 🤣 🤣 🤣

  133. Malla says:
    @Xavier

    Well there is this video by an Ex-Muslim of Pakistani origin who kind of spills the beans. Some guy named Momus Najmi, check out his video.

    Ex-Muslim of Pakistani origin, Momus Najmi in an interview with Liam Tuffs

    He says that Muslims still want revenge for the Crusades, for being evicted from An Andalus etc…, have long memories. Why do you think Hindu Nats would not want revenge for centuries of invasions, colonisation, mass murder, mass rapes, destruction, looting etc… of India? 800 years of it. Hindus have long memories too.

    That should then lead to a disintegration o

    Very likely. Anyways as India moves away from British Empire further, as it “decolonizes its mind” further, isn’t it strange how many of the pre-British Empire conditions are re-emerging in India? One thing about pre-British India I read in travelogues was the corruption of the courts and how the poor were exploited by the corrupt Justice system. During the British Empire, there was very little corruption, but as we move away with time from the B.E., with more and more decolonisation, corruption is only increasing in the courts and police and injustice reigns. Just a few decades ago, things were so much better. Markandu Kadju, the ex- Chief Justice of India said that when he was a young lawyer, no Supreme Court judge was corrupt, now 50% are corrupt. Just recently, a bunch of thugs beat up bikers in Noida.
    As India decolonises further and further, pre-British India elements are reemerging again, and it is all very dark and nasty. And this is happening throughout large parts of the Third World. To escape these “joys of decolonisation”, Third Worlders are flocking to whitey countries and taking them down with them.

    ingrained hinduism’s rot is.

    Me thinks the Indian subcontinent would be great if instead of being Hindu/Lindu and Muslim/Muzzie, it would have been Christian-Buddhist, like 50% Christian and 50% Buddhist. Christian majority areas and Buddhist majority areas are far better than Lindu or Muzzie areas of the same class. But it would only be a 20% improvement, as race triumphs religions and culture.

    • Agree: William Gruff
  134. @Pythas

    Actually, NOT! the Yids are going to go after billions are dead. Read all about Gog (the Rothchilds), and Magog, the eastern Europe invaders of Palestine, or the Tribe of Tagarmah. Sadly, most people consider the scriptures, or otherwise known as bible, with ‘religion’ religion is what men have, the bible is history, from the beginning to the end. Actually, man’s history is that, HIS story. The victors write history! So where is the history written by the German army during WWII,? none. Their enemies wrote it! They were vanquished.

  135. For those of you who are atheist’ just keep hopping that this is it! For some this is heaven, since they don’t believe in God; for others, this is hell, since we are waiting for something better. I believe the Talmudists were unleashed upon this earth to text humanity! churchianity keeps saying that the sons of the devil, as Christ calls them in John 8:44, are the ‘people of god’. Well, since Jesus said, by their works thou shall know them, and calls them sons of the devil, and in revelation 2 verse 9, ‘the synagogue of Satan’, I also see them as such!

  136. @Shitposter_in Chief

    Agree. This guy sounds depressingly like the Japanese supremacists crowing before WW2—and I don’t say this out of hatred towards the Chinese. It’s just depressingly similar. Once they begin to catch on to the modern world, Asians seem to be subject to a certain grandiose opinion of themselves. Please don’t do this. It will end badly for you. Believe me. Just as the USA led invasion of Russia was foredoomed to failure. It’s not personal—I wish it were, then something could be done about it from this end—it’s just what is. Take a deep breath and tend your garden. Stop comparing yourselves. It’s a sign of insecurity.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @Malla
  137. Malla says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Resources, man, resources.

    The best resource to have in your nation is a high percentage of high IQ, high trust, civilized, hardworking, sophisticated, well-mannered, high productivity humans. This resource beats all the gold, silver, iron ore, bauxite, crude oil, rare earths etc….in the World. But this is after the Industrial Revolution!
    Before the Industrial Revolution, the best resource to have to create wealth for kingdom was a large amount of highly productive flat lands near water sources, good quality agricultural land. You could have a population with medium IQ with uncouth manners, would do.

  138. CCKG says:
    @Deep Thought

    “Events have since proved that Mao was right.”

    What events have since proved Mao right?! If the mother fucker is still alive, China probably would not have existed.

    You are an incurable moron.

  139. Rich says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Was your mouth full on the men’s room floor when you wrote that?

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  140. CCKG says:
    @Deep Thought

    [Very lengthy, off-topic comments are bad behavior and may get trashed.]

    “In the 1940’s China was the POOREST country in the world– thanks for the mother fucker Cash My-cheque’s selling out of China.”

    Shanghai was called the Paris of the East during the Republican era you moron. Chiang was a nationalist patriot, the mother fucking Mao is China’s biggest traitor.

    [MORE]

    Here are some of the quotes of what the mother fucker said about the Sino-Japanese War:
    Mao’s Quotations – Anti-Japanese War

    1. Some comrades thought that the fewer battlefields Japan had, the better. Later, they came to a consensus: Only by letting Japan occupy more land can we be patriotic. Otherwise, we would love Chiang Kai-shek’s country. There is a country within a country, Chiang, Japan, and me, the Three Kingdoms.

    2. We must be calm, do not go to the front line to act as anti-Japanese heroes, avoid direct conflict with Japan, go around to the rear of the Japanese army to fight guerrilla warfare, find ways to expand the Eighth Route Army, establish anti-Japanese guerrilla bases, and do everything possible to accumulate and strengthen our party’s armed forces. We must use various excuses to delay the government’s orders to go to the front line. Only after the Japanese army has greatly killed and injured the national army can we reap the fruits of the anti-Japanese war and seize the Kuomintang’s power.

    3. Some people think that we should fight against Japan more to be patriotic, but that is Chiang Kai-shek’s country. The motherland of our Chinese Communists is the common motherland of all Communists in the world, namely the Soviet Union. The policy of our Communists is to let the Japanese army occupy more land, forming the Three Kingdoms of Chiang, Japan and me. Such a situation is beneficial to us. The worst case is that the Japanese occupy all of China. At that time, I can also fight back with the help of the Soviet Union!

    4. In order to develop and strengthen the armed forces of our party and seize national power after the war. The general policy that our party must strictly follow is “one point for fighting against Japan, two points for coping, and seven points for development”. No one and no organization shall violate this general policy.

    5. I once talked to Japanese friends. They said, I am sorry that the Japanese Imperial Army invaded China. I said: No! Without your Imperial Army invading most of China, the Chinese people could not unite to deal with Chiang Kai-shek, and the Chinese Communist Party could not seize power. Therefore, the Japanese Imperial Army is a good teacher of our Chinese Communists, and it can also be said to be a great benefactor and savior.

    6. There is nothing to apologize for. Japanese militarism brought great benefits to China and enabled the Chinese people to seize power. Without your imperial army, we would not have been able to seize power. I have different opinions from you on this point, and we have conflicts.

    7. Japan’s aggression can also be said to be a good thing, which helped us a lot. Please see, the Chinese people seized power, and at the same time, your monopoly capital and militarism also helped us. Millions and tens of millions of Japanese people have awakened. Including some generals who fought in China, they have now become our friends.

    8. In 1972, when China and Japan established diplomatic relations, Japanese Prime Minister Kakuei Tanaka apologized to Mao: “Ah, I’m sorry, we launched an aggressive war, and China suffered great harm.” Mao said: “I’m not sorry, you have made contributions, why have you made contributions? Because if you hadn’t launched the war of aggression against China, how could our Communist Party be strong? How could we seize power? How could we defeat Chiang Kai-shek? How can we thank you? We don’t want your war reparations!”

    9. Stay calm, don’t go to the front line to act as an anti-Japanese hero, avoid direct conflict with Japan, go around the rear of the Japanese army to fight guerrillas, find ways to expand the Eighth Route Army and establish anti-Japanese guerrilla bases, and use various excuses to delay the government’s orders to go to the front line. Only after the Japanese army has greatly killed and injured the national army can we reap the fruits of the anti-Japanese war and win the final victory.

    Original content:
    毛主席语录——抗日战争

    1、一些同志认为日本战地越少越好,后来才统一认识:让日本多占地,才爱国。否则便成爱蒋介石的国了。国中有国,蒋、日、我,三国志。

    2、要冷静,不要到前线去充当抗日英雄,要避开与日本的正面冲突,绕到日军后方去打游击,要想办法扩充八路军、建立抗日游击根据地,要千方百计地积蓄和壮大我党的武装力量。对政府方面催促的开赴前线的命令,要以各种借口予以推拖,只有在日军大大杀伤国军之后,我们才能坐收抗日成果,去夺取国民党的政权。

    3、有的人认为我们应该多抗日,才爱国,但那爱的是蒋介石的国,我们中国共产党人的祖国是全世界共产党人共同的祖国即苏维埃(苏联),我们共产党人的方针是:要让日本军队多占地,形成蒋、日、我,三国志,这样的形势对我们才有利,最糟糕的情况不过是日本人占领了全中国,到时候我也还可以借助苏联的力量打回来嘛!

    4、为了发展壮大我党的武装力量,在战后夺取全国政权。我们党必须严格遵循的总方针是“一分抗日,二分应付,七分发展”。任何人,任何组织都不得违背这个总体方针。

    5、我曾经跟日本朋友谈过。他们说,很对不起,日本皇军侵略了中国。我说∶不!没有你们皇军侵略大半个中国,中国人民就不能团结起来对付蒋介石,中国共产党就夺取不了政权。所以,日本皇军是我们中国共产党人的好教员,也可以说是大恩人,大救星。

    6、没有什么抱歉。日本军国主义给中国带来了很大的利益,使中国人民夺取了政权。没有你们的皇军,我们不可能夺取政权。这一点,我和你们有不同的意见,我们两个人有矛盾。

    7、日本的侵略也可以说是好事,帮了我们的大忙。请看,中国人民夺取了政权,同时,你们的垄断资本、军国主义也帮了我们的忙。日本人民成百万、成千万地醒觉起来。包括在中国打仗的一部份将军,他们现在变成我们的朋友了。

    8、1972年,中日建交的时候,日本首相田中角荣就向毛道歉:“啊,对不起啊,我们发动了侵略战争,是中国受到很大的伤害。”毛说:“不是对不起啊,你们有功啊,为啥有功呢?因为你们要不是发动侵华战争的话,我们共产党怎么能够强大?我们怎么能够夺权哪?怎么能够把蒋介石打败呀?我们如何感谢你们?我们不要你们战争赔偿!”

    9、冷静,不要到前线去充当抗日英雄,要避开与日本的正面冲突,绕到日军后方去打游击,要想办法扩充八路军、建立抗日游击根据地,对政府方面催促的开赴前线的命令,要以各种藉口予以推拖,只有在日军大大杀伤国军之后,我们才能坐收抗日成果,去夺取最后胜利。

    • Thanks: Malla
  141. They do things differently there.

    Legitimate Targets
    @LegitTargets
    🚨🇵🇰🇮🇳 VIDEO: PAKISTANI influencers have dropped a new song about the Rafale fighter jet

  142. @Rich

    “The false narrative of an American defeat is almost universally believed by the ignorant masses now, although I try and do my part to educate as many as possible.”

    🌿Rich art thou; mayhap in many things;
    Mayhap thou feasteth oft with kings;
    And yachts replete with bimbos dost thou steer
    Past Caribbean isles with jolly cheer.
    But wise Calliope thou know’st not well;
    For Hueys off the deck the truth do tell.🌿

    • Replies: @Rich
  143. 1951 says:
    @Malla

    Well searching this turned up:
    “In an email to DW weeks after the coup, Gaya cited what he said were significant inconsistencies. Niger, he wrote, exported uranium worth €3.5 billion ($3.8 billion) to France in 2010 but received only €459 million in return.”https://www.dw.com/en/are-nigers-uranium-supplies-to-france-under-scrutiny/a-66711717

    https://www.industrialinfo.com/iirenergy/showAbstract.jsp?newsitemID=323781
    “Researched by Industrial Info Resources (Sugar Land, Texas)–The military government of Niger has made a significant adjustment to the uranium pricing structure it maintains with France. As reported in The Spectacle, Niger, a prominent player in the global uranium market, has opted to raise the price of uranium from 0.80 euros (US$.85) per kilogram (kg) to 200 euros (US$213.6) per kilogram.

    The .80 Euros has been debunked by Reuters, but it still looks like Niger was underpaid. France also may lose their island in the Pacific, New Caledonia. End of the remnants of the French Empire. Africa seems to be doing better without France.

    France bought all Niger could produce at a bargain price. They had to pay market price for the rest of their needs.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Malla
  144. @Shitposter_in Chief

    Si vis pacem, para bellum (“If you seek peace, prepare for war”).

    It’s time to take threats from the likes of this author seriously. Drop the pretense of detente. As Imus put it years ago, if you want to know how offensive these Asians are, try sticking your head into the cockpit of one of their jets.

  145. Avery says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    There is an UNZ.com poster/commenter, [Carlton Meyer], a former US Marine, who produces well researched, short vids, onvarious subjects.

    Some of those vids are debunking common myths about the infalibilty of US military, in this case USAF. The video below is his analysis of the air war over Viet Nam.
    His onclusion is that the myth that USAF bombing forced N.Vietnam to negotiate is just that — a myth. Americans simply declared victory, and left.

    [The Failed Air War Over Vietnam]

    https://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=1696

    [A former B-52 pilot, Dana Drenkowksi, writes in an upcoming issue of Soldier of Fortune that B-52 crews “mutinied” during the Christmas, 1972 bombings of North Vietnam. He states that the crews refused to go on bombing missions because “inept” tactics resulted in “large numbers of B-52s unnecessarily shot down and their crews crippled, killed or captured.”]

    [The Vietnamese were able to hit back–and hit back they did. In all they shot down 34 B-52s, five F-111s and 42 other aircraft. For B-52 pilots the reality of the war hit them smack in the face.]

  146. Rich says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    I much fear, young Eustace Tilly (not) that you have fallen in with the ignorant masses who’ve never heard of Operation Linebacker or the negotiations that led to return of American POWs and American withdrawal in 1973, 2 years before S Vietnam was defeated. You’re probably unfamiliar with coup that removed Nixon and replaced him with a govt friendly to the communists that didn’t provide the promised air support if the North violated terms of the peace agreement. But tinder and pornhub probably keep you busy when you’re not on TikTok, so I understand.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  147. @Malla

    Yes, America’s Silicone Valley would collapse without the Indians. Oh how great those Indians!

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  148. Notsofast says:
    @Malla

    the rafales didn’t stand a chance against the pl-15, their mica missiles have a range of 60-80 km and the pl-15 export version has a range of 140-150 km. it’s a mach 5 missile, the rafale can’t reach mach 2.

    i hope macron isn’t planning on flying these in ukraine, the russians shot down a ukrainian sukhoi-27 at 217km with a r 37m, it has a range of 300-400 km @ mach 6.

    no zato fighters really stand a chance against chinese and russian air to air missiles. they would be shot down before their missiles are in range. the west will never catch up and modi is a fool for not buying su-57’s from the russians, instead of this overpriced outdated french garbage. maybe this will open his eyes.

  149. anon[939] • Disclaimer says:
    @Proteus Procrustes

    Only a freak weirdo will belive anything India says about the domestic terrorism. India does and blames Pakistan. India allows and blanes Pakistan.
    Yes ,Pakistan does .Do does India against Pakistan .
    22 April is Indian deepstate product.Do was 2019 killings.

    • Replies: @Malla
  150. anon[939] • Disclaimer says:
    @1951

    Dont engage to this liar. He worships European colonizers. His love for India is superficial. He thinks that Spain under Moor looted wealth from France,Germany,Belgium ,Russia ,Nordic countries , Italy,England,and Ireland .

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Malla
  151. ebear says: • Website
    @IronForge

    Careful… the guy’s got a very fragile ego. Kind of like Trump actually. Knows less than he imagines too, also like Trump.

  152. 迪路 says:
    @BlackFlag

    It seems that the pilots in Pakistan are trained by our trainers.
    Our Government did dispatch professionals to conduct special exercises.

  153. @Bama

    The jews are interested in India, 1.4B low IQ taxpayers who will be enthralled to work for their new jewish overlords.

    Four times the number of America serfs, what more could any parasitical class desire.

  154. @Notsofast

    A slick multimedia PR campaign will sooth the Indian and western nerves.
    Its all about perception not reality. declare victory and move on.

    • Agree: Notsofast
  155. @Avery

    Nixon took possession and ownership of the Vietnam conflict, her had five years to turn off the war, he didn’t.

  156. @mulga mumblebrain

    “When is the destruction of the Taj Mahal, a la Ayodhya, scheduled?”

    If it ever happened then it would be analogous to the Gang of Four destroying the Chinese cultural artifacts, no?

    • LOL: Malla
  157. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    You see, the idea that you regard us as fools is actually very foolish.
    Our IQ is already much higher than that of Indians. Indians simply have no basis to criticize our decision-making problems.
    The Cultural Revolution had its necessity of existence, which laid the foundation that those who studied liberal arts could not become the ruling class in China.
    A large number of people who claim to be high-level cultural intellectuals should be sent to do some farm work to realize that they are no different from others.
    Are we going to follow the example of the United States and let lawyers and businessmen be the ruling class?
    This won’t work.

    Besides, how could India, as a country, have any history? Isn’t it just constantly being colonized and constantly invaded by foreign countries?
    You wouldn’t think of taking the Mahabharata and the Ramayana as history, would you?
    This is too outrageous.
    You can read it at most as a novel. In my previous conversation with you, it was also revealed that the Mahabharata, Bhagavad Gita, and Ramayana cannot shape the correct values for people.
    Your worldview was distorted from the very beginning. How could the correct fruits be obtained?
    On this point, I even understand India better than you Indians.
    I think India is hopeless… It will always exist as a septic tank in South Asia.

    • Replies: @Vidi
    , @Malla
  158. 迪路 says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    It is said to be a revolution in India against British colonists.
    But in fact, it isn’t.
    From our perspective, this is merely a form of performance art.
    Well, how to put it…
    From our perspective, the Gandhi faction is pure clowns.
    If they had encountered the Japanese instead of the British, the entire South Asia might have been wiped out.

    However, at least Malla is still an Indian who can have a conversation, a well-bred and somewhat learned Kshatriyri. He is at least willing to admit India’s defeat in the air battle.
    And that craicaassmofo is simply a liar maker.
    I think it’s sad that the craicaassmofo type should account for the majority of the Indian population.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Xavier
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  159. @anonymous

    I also find your response to be obnoxious.

    As do I. Your reply in #56 was obnoxious.

    There is no need to get off topic by bringing up the 2019 loss of a fighter.

    I start of polite. But when someone is rude to me, I don’t bother with courtesy any more.

    I consider the description of damage by the third party analyst to qualify as heavy.

    Description by A “analyst”. Emphasis on ONE self professed “analyst”.
    There is fog of war surrounding everything now. One needs to wait for the dust to settle and more RELIABLE and EXPERIENCED analysts to assess the situation.

    You have joined the Indian chorus in claiming “heavy damage” to Pakistani air bases.

    Raising concerns about whether the Chinese air defense system have shortcomings and need to be fixed does not make one Indian.

    I bring up no concerns about Indian military ability. I only raise the issue of the Indian propensity to lie.

    Even though I served in the military myself, I do not consider myself as having the expertise to judge. AND NEITHER DO YOU.

    You put the cart before the horse.

    The fact that you are focused on the nuts and bolts data, and not on the reliability of your sources that provide said data, show that you are both naive, and lacking in critical thinking.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  160. anon[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    The British invaded Tibet and slaughtered at least 700 defenseless Tibetans. Both the British and the Russians were competing for influence in Tibet and Xinjiang, exploiting China’s weakened state during a period of intense internal turmoil.

    The British were able to draw whatever maps or borders they pleased, without any agreement from the Qing government. They took Hong Kong by military force, later formalized through a treaty that remained in effect until its expiration in 1997. In the case of Aksai Chin, however, no such treaty was ever signed by the Chinese government. Aksai Chin was never part of British-administered territories in South Asia.

    • Replies: @Malla
  161. @CCKG

    Shanghai was called the Paris of the East during the Republican era

    “Shanghai was called the Paris of the East” as the America continent was the “New World” of the whites!!

    https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/05/world/sailor-s-lament-what-did-they-do-to-shanghai.html

    It was HELL for the Chinese– just like the Americas was hell for the natives of America during whiteman’s colonial age. No wonder that you like it so much.

    What Mao did with regard to the economy in the 1960’s was based on the same logic YOU use to justify Cash My-Cheque’s NOT fighting the japs. Your blaming of Mao is, therefore, simple an admission that YOU, yourself, is a mother-fucking idiot!!!

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  162. Vidi says:
    @迪路

    You do indeed think and talk like a gangster. My newest estimate is that you are Taiwanese, a descendent of a member of Shanghai’s gangs (like the Green Gang). Chiang Kai-Shek had very strong ties to those people, and they fled with him to Taiwan when he lost to Mao. You are probably descended from these crooks.

    • Replies: @迪路
  163. Atul says:

    All written here must have happened in your dreams …ignoring facts….pak was made scrap yard of Chinese defence tech by India

  164. @Kurt Knispel

    What do you mean when you write ‘help Pakistan to reintegrate’? With what? Pakistan didn’t exist before, of necessity, it was created at independence by what you stupidly label ‘perfidious Albion’, so what can it be reintegrated with? The Indian sub-continent was a mess of warring petty kingdoms that ‘perfidious Albion’ brought peace, stability and the modern world to. The inability of Pakistanis and Indians to co-exist peacefully is not the fault of the British, or of the English (whom the uninformed, like you, all too often confuse), who sought to avoid bloodshed and war by separating the two.

    Idiot.

  165. @Anon269

    The issue with DPRK and ROK is that the ROK is occupied by the US military. That said – because the DPRK is the most militarized society on earth – it can actually produce more weapons than the ROK.
    Just look how many ballistic missile launchers they can make and deploy… That’s why there is no surprise that they could supply Russia with so many munitions to fight Ukraine and NATO.

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/1000-kn24-nkorean-frontline-forces-unprecedented

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  166. @DGAF

    Your own ‘English language syntax’ is pretty poor; people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

  167. Wokechoke says:
    @Malla

    The British always propped up the Turks vs Russia, that is until the Jews wanted Palestine. Then the British were quick to liquidate the Ottoman Empire.

    English sailors were also critical in keeping the Ottomans fighting Napoleonic France. Without Sir Sidney and Nelson France might have conquered Egypt Palestine and Syria.

    Most of this was situational.

    In the Early days of the Muslim conquests the Romans and Persians were suspiciously quick to fold in the face of the camel and horse riding folk emerging from the desert.

    • Replies: @Bankotsu
  168. @anonymous

    Pakistan said they used a Chinese CM-400 missile to destroy one of the S-400’s. It will take time before we get the truth of what happened on either side. Of note is China has the S-400 so would know how to defeat it…. In any event – air defenses against missiles is one of the most difficult thing their is. Much easier to shoot down a plane. Planes are much bigger and are slower than missiles. I’m not a physics major – but that seems pretty clear.

  169. @Bankotsu

    Both sides made quite a few claims. Pakistan also stated they destroyed a Brahmos storage facility and air defense. Indian media isn’t a good source… Neither really is a Pakistani news. But we do know the Indian general answered when asked about losses that losses are inevitable. There is a reason both wanted a ceasefire.

  170. @Malla

    “You need to take the trouble of listening to this interview. ”

    you need to get your head out of your ass and realize there would have been no Renaissance without the Arabs and Muslim scientist. Stop limiting yourself to the hatred of European scholars.

    Read both sides of history in their native language. Then make a determination. Nothing beats prideful ignorance.

    Avecina’s tome on medicine is the foundation of Western medicine till this day. AlJaber or Algebra or when misinderstood was dismissed as gibirish. Without the logarithms of AlJaber where would Western computing or AI be.

    Your bullshit supremacy is annoying you blind fool.

  171. @EddieSpaghetti

    What do you mean you dumb troll, what did they do with the science. They engineered aquaducts, sewer discharge systems, they built libraries to educate anyone including illiterate Europeans and the Church elders didn’t like that. Add to this 15 century lit streets and all kinds of infra structure, nothing like it in Europe at the time.

    Google 15th century Seville, spain and look at the city planning the Moores did for spain. Now what dod the British or yhe French do around the world with gunpowder and opium?

    • Replies: @EddieSpaghetti
  172. @Proteus Procrustes

    India has never provided actual proof they were Pakistani… Let alone that they were aided by the Pakistani government….

  173. Anon[138] • Disclaimer says:

    All BS……Facts/truth will be out soon that proves India won hands down and Pak got beaten real bad for using Chinese junk weapons……

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/clear-cut-indian-victory-iaf-hit-entrances-of-pak-n-weapons-site/articleshow/121147531.cms

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  174. Well, its hard to determine the winner.

    The article applauds Pakistan’s fighter aircrafy prowess and effectiveness as well as the air defense sstem. However, reports indicate that Inda was able to destroy key citiies required for Pakisyan’s defense.

    I suspect that this is not over, by a long shot.

  175. Malla says:
    @1951

    “If Niger decides not to export uranium to France, it will have dramatic consequences for France but little impact on the Nigerien economy,” Gaya said.

    Well, DW is a leftist news outlet, and I am not sure if these figures are correct. Oxfam, a globalist group also claims the same. However Areva rejects Oxfam’s figures and insists that since the creation of the mining companies, 40 years ago, 80% of revenues – €871m – have gone to Niger and 20% to Areva and its partners. It says Cominak and Somair have always worked within the framework of a mining agreement with Niger and observed mining laws. Areva made a loss of €99m last year, but expects to make an operating profit of more than €1.1bn this year, helped in part by its uranium mining business.
    Who is speaking the truth, I do not know.

    Africa seems to be doing better without France.

    Well, best of luck to Africa, but history tells otherwise. With decolonisation, the gap in per capita income in between Western Europe and Africa actually increased. Europe has very rarely depended on Africa for its economic success, Africa on the other hand has.

    France also may lose their island in the Pacific, New Caledonia.

    This will benefit France financially but reduce France’s global power a bit.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @1951
  176. @showmethereal

    Of course-a false flag is not just possible, but likely. Modi’s in Deep Shite, human not bovine, and needs a distraction. No doubt MOSSAD could lend its expertise to its new boot-lickers.

    • Replies: @Malla
  177. Xavier says:
    @迪路

    It is said to be a revolution in India against British colonists.
    But in fact, it isn’t.
    From our perspective, this is merely a form of performance art.
    Well, how to put it…
    From our perspective, the Gandhi faction is pure clowns.

    The Indian struggle for independence from Britain was the result of upper caste Hindus who wished to supplant the British and usurp their position. They paid lip service to the lower castes while not improving their condition in any meaningful way.

    Modi is possibly the only PM in India’s modern history who so perfectly reflects the average Hindu on the street: Foolish, incompetent, domineering over a defenceless target while morphing into a sniveling coward against a powerful one. Opportunistic with no moral center, and an inflated ego which is susceptible to flattery. All bluster and no vision.

    Resentment/wounded pride is the strongest predictor of upper caste behavior. They have a pathological need to be acknowledged and respected, even if they are incapable of earning that respect. It was this impulse that spurred the Indians into attacking Pakistan without preparation or an honest evaluation of their capabilities and their enemy’s. They think that if they act like Israel, they can be Israel. But despite becoming the laughing stock of Asia, you can be sure that India will flex its 13 inch biceps again in the future and yet again trip over their own shoelaces. You cannot imagine the depth of their wounded pride.

    • Replies: @迪路
    , @Malla
  178. Malla says:
    @anon

    He worships European colonizers.

    Nope, I debunk lies w.r.t European Empires. According to misguided propaganda, Western Europe was supposed to become poor, and it’s ex-colonies rich, in short time after decolonisation, did not happen as Europe hardly depended on its Empires for its technological and financial rise. Indeed most ex-colonies fell behind in standard of living w.r.t the West after decolonisation and thus debunking decolonisation propaganda. To keep up the old lies, new lies like “neo-colonisation” were invented. But some ex-colonies like Singapore did well using a highly intelligent and disciplined work force. Gulf countries using their oil resources wisely did well, why did the West not stop them from becoming rich? Why is Venezuela post Chavez shithole while Saudi Arabia not? Sanctions? Or mismanagement by cunning idiots like Chavez compared to the better management by Gulf monarchies? Why did Botswana become well off by exporting resources, why did the West not neo-colonise it? Why are Barbados and Bahamas comparative much richer than Jamaica, yeah I know it is all money laundering and tax heavens, but why did the evul West not prevent the increasing standard of living of those blackeys? Neo Colonialism theory has more holes than Swiss Cheese.

    He thinks that Spain under Moor looted wealth from

    So Muslims cannot loot wealth because they iz noble and shiet and Europe cannot develop without looting Wealth??? Hmmm..I see what is goin on here. Anyways those are not my beliefs but the findings of Mr. Raymond Ibrahim, an Arab historian, an ethnic Arab, whose video I have posted above.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Poupon Marx
  179. @showmethereal

    And in the DPRK they remember that the Yankee Reich killed four million Koreans, and used bacteriological warfare against them. In the thoroughly Yankified South that knowledge is repressed.

  180. @littlereddot

    It’s the missiles that the planes carry that are more important than the planes. The fastest and longer range missiles will win. So I don’t know if Indians being good or bad pilots matters much. Unless the French can provide for their planes missiles that are faster and of a longer reach than the Chinese, their planes will be shot out of the sky. Dog fights aren’t what they used to be.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  181. anonymous[380] • Disclaimer says:
    @littlereddot

    Is the source presented about the damage to the runway at the Pakistani air base unreliable? If the claims are not outside of the realm of possibility then why not engage in the topic at hand rather than generate a long response arguing for the sake of arguing?

    You show a bad mentality with the inability to identify and correct shortcomings. In your next response why not actually discuss damage from the Indian attack and whether the performance of air defense equipment.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  182. @Deep Thought

    Shanghai was, alongside Odessa and NYC, the third power center of the Jews
    since the Opium Wars; notice a pattern already?

    • Thanks: Deep Thought
  183. 迪路 says:
    @Vidi

    I’m just from Shanghai, definitely not from Taiwan.
    I have no need to deceive you.
    Besides, my criticism of Indians is reasonable, which is based on the fact that I have indeed read the Mahabharata.
    Indian culture always worships the male genitalia, which in itself makes me feel very inferior.
    As for your thinking that I have something to do with the Green Gang, that’s even funnier… Speculation should be based on a reasonable foundation.
    Please don’t speak like that in the future. It’s very stupid for you to say such words.
    Read more books on Chinese history. You are fundamentally wrong in judging where I really come from.
    Mr. Lu Xun once said, “When I opened the pages of history, I found that it has no dates. On each crooked leaf, the words’ Benevolence, righteousness and Morality ‘are written.” I couldn’t fall asleep either way. I read it carefully for half the night before I could make out the characters through the gaps. The whole book was written with two characters: “Eating people”.
    我翻开历史一查,这历史没有年代,歪歪斜斜的每叶上都写着“仁义道德”几个字。我横竖睡不着,仔细看了半夜,才从字缝里看出字来,满本都写着两个字是“吃人”!
    吃人吃人吃人
    吃人吃人吃人
    吃人吃人吃人
    During the Ming and Qing dynasties alone, there were 1,692 county-level incidents of cannibalism. Here, “county-level incidents” refer to the occurrence of cannibalism in a certain county during a specific year.
    You can think about why the farmers here in China rose up in rebellion. When people can’t survive, rebellion is their only way out.
    In the end, it’s all about killing everyone that can be killed to keep oneself alive.
    While the upper classes were able to enjoy an endless material life, farmers were struggling painfully.
    The Indians simply couldn’t take that step. They would rather starve to death than resist.
    So I suggest that they need someone who is willing to massacre the entire upper class to solve their problems for them.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  184. Malla says:
    @nokangaroos

    Of course the many who fellated the Perfidious had precious little say
    after independence.

    What B.S. are you barking? Yes, had the Axis won WW2 and Bose become the leader of India, would India be more pro-Germany, pro-Japan and pro-Italy. Yes. definitely. I do not see the problem, Bose was the most popular leader among the Indian masses and still is. I challenge anyone to say something against Bose on some Indian town square, a million macho thaggard Indians will stream out of the slums and beat the person until he is turned to paste and would have to be scrapped off the pavement.
    But Nehru, had pro-Marxist tendencies from the very beginning, he belonged to the Left wing of the Indian national Congress. Indeed, the USSR itself had invited Nehru, his father, wife and sister to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the Great October Revolution. He visited the land of Soviets along with Motilal Nehru, his father, an outstanding leader of the Indian National Congress, his wife Kamala and younger sister Krishna. He was pro-Soviet way before Indian Independence. And he was the one who gained power in 1947. So all these claims of sepoy of the West is childish Chinese propaganda. It was their present vassal state, Pakistan who was close to the USA and the West, it was Pakistan which became a part of the Baghdad Pact with Iran and Turkey to curtail Soviet influence in the region. The cunning Wumao morons will never mention this fact. Hell, China itself voluntarily became sepoy of USA against the USSR, the same USSR which created the PRC. Isn’t there a song “Without the Communist Party, there will be no new China”, plagiarized from the KMT slogan “Without the Nationalist Party, there will be no new China”. Well the reality is more like, without the USSR there would have never been a PRC but the creation, PRC turned to destroy the creator, USSR after Mao and Nixon became best friends. The same Nixon, who the Marxist snob elites in the USA viciously hate because he outed the Communist traitor & spy Alger Hiss for being a Soviet agent. Strange World we live in.

  185. @Malla

    Thank you for posting that interview with Raymond Ibrahim who sounds very interesting and knowledgeable. I’ve only just started listening to it and it will take some time to go through it all.

    My question is where does he stand on the question of 911, the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS. Is he aware that OBL and Al Qaida couldn’t have possibly knocked down WTC and who the real culprits are? Does he know who created the Muslim Brotherhood and why, or who created and promoted Al Qaida/ISIS and why? Of course many ignorant Muslims support these organisations and are proud of their alleged and some true exploits but that doesn’t change the fact of who is ultimately behind them and it isn’t even the Saudis as they also have other masters directing them. Also the anti-Americanism of many members and supporters of these organisations is justified although that too is promoted by those very ones they are supposedly fighting, although they hardly seem to take any actions against Israel and the Jews. This is most recent history so he should address these issues.

  186. Malla says:
    @anon

    Only a freak weirdo will belive anything India says about the domestic terrorism. India does and blames Pakistan.

    Pakistani has a long and illustrious history of carrying our terrorist activities against its powerful neighbour and then denying it. When the Bombay terrorist attacks took place where Islamic fundamentalist terrorists from Pakistan started spraying bullets at hapless people, one of the terrorist Ajmal Kasab was apprehended by Indian authorities. Pakistan chimped out that the terrorist dude Kasab was not Pakistani, they claimed the Bombay attack was an “inside job” by India. Only for one of the most reputed Pakistani newspaper, the Dawn actually tracking down Ajmal Kasab’s house and family in Pakistan. Of course, he was Pakistani.
    Not only that, Pakistan still harbours a mafia don turned terrorist who was responsible for a number of bomb blasts in Bombay, before the above terrorist incident, directed by Pakistan’s secret service agency, the ISI. Tiger Memon and Dawood Ibrahim, both Indian Muslims responsible for the death of many Indians via bomb explosions in Bombay. Both are living good lives in Pakistan, protected by the Pakistani Government. And there are many such more examples. So yeah, India should not suspect Pakistan for terrorist incidents in India. ya rite.

  187. Malla says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Yes, America’s Silicone Valley would collapse without the Indians.

    That is what Indians think. Indians think that Western countries are first World countries because of Indian talent. Millions of Indians genuinely believe this. But the fact that they were first World countries before Indians migrated to the West totally escapes them.
    Also Indians genuinely believe that White people and East Asian people are these fake, posh, snob good-looking people, all show and no substance. Indeed, many Indians, especially lower caste thag gopnik type Indians believe that Whites and East Asians (including Russians, Greeks, Chinese etc…) do not do any physical work and do not farm to grow their own food. And not only Indians, I have heard Bangladeshis believe the same.
    “We Indians/ bangladeshis/ South Asians/ Desi are though son of the soil brown people, who till the land and grow food, we are a proud people of tough farmers, we are of the soil, our skin colour is brown like the soil.” Those goras (Whites) and chinkis (East Asians) do not know what farming is and growing their own food, they are just a posh, snob, weak, pussy, show people and are racists who are afraid of Indian talents and capabilities and along with muslims (in the Hindu mind-Muslims Barbarians par excellence) want to keep Indians down. Their women are sluts and their men are weak and pussy. And Muslim South Asians also believe the same (except the Muslim keeping us down part) and even many Christian South Asians believe the same!! But these same people crying about White and East Asian racism will look at a Black African and consider him or her a monkey man. I have heard tough macho thug lower class thug types saying about Africans, “wo to bandar hai saale”. “Blacks are just monkeys”. It is not posh Westernised elite Indians who consider Africans monkeys, they blindly follow the Western Left, it is the lower class thag masses.

    And when you show them videos of Chinese/ Japanese/ White American/ Australians etc…farmers farming, they are literally stunned. They actually will stare at those videos with disbelief for a long time. I kid you not, they stare with disbelief. Then they claim, “their farming is all chemicals and artificial. We worship Mother Earth, mother India, and do natural farming. ” Though this is bullshit as Indian agriculture is flooded with chemicals right now, whole villages have chemical soil thanks to agricultural use.

    • Replies: @迪路
  188. @Rich

    Little Richy is just the sort of racist, cowardly, Yankee swine who’s still enraged that the USA didn’t kill a few million more ‘gooks’, from the gutless safety of 30,000 feet. The enemy of humanity, in its death-throes, thank God!

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Kelli Wang Bootleg
  189. Bankotsu says:
    @Wokechoke

    In the Early days of the Muslim conquests the Romans and Persians were suspiciously quick to fold in the face of the camel and horse riding folk emerging from the desert.

    There is a chapter on early Muslim conquests on page 691 here:

    http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Weapons%20Systems%20and%20Political%20Stability.pdf

  190. Malla says:
    @Commentator Mike

    To give you an idea,

    Check out this video, this is from a very popular Indian standup Comedy show. In this act, a Russian model (woman with tiara) who has won Miss World pageant, comes to an Indian village and meets an Indian villager leading to comic outcomes. It is in Hindi but it is worth a watch. Of course the part of the Russian model is played by an Indian woman, she does not look Russian at all and her name Ankita, is not Russian at all. LOL. The “Russian” model is shown as snobby, naive and the Hindi she speaks is the “posh type”, in Indian nationalist anti-British movies, British officials (either White actors or Indian actors in “White face”) are shown speaking this kind of posh Hindi. And Westernised elite Indians at times talk Hindi in this posh way, especially young rich women. Of course, like all White people (and East Asians) this “Russian” woman does not know what farming and simple rural life is and thus when she comes across a simple Indian farmer, all comedy breaks loose. Check it out, even if you do not understand Hindi, to understand this Indian mentality. The guy (the most popular Indian comedian right now) playing the poor Indian farmer comes out at 25: 10 minutes, watch from there. Check out their interaction, even if you do not understand Hindi. At 27:05 minutes she says “I am from Russia” in English, but she represents the average generic White (or East Asian). At 27:16 minutes she says, “India is a bad country.” in English. At 30:50 minutes she acts like she does not know what a goat is. Worth a watch. At 1:00:50, an Indian woman plays a Pakistani woman for a different comedy act.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @nokangaroos
  191. Eagle Eye says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Dear Comrades in the Public Relations Department, North America Section:

    Good marks (8 out of 10) for finally hiring a GHOST WRITER. The ghost-written “Hua Bin” product is now noticeably more accessible to a general audience with only limited prior knowledge of the subject matter.

    There is still a CREDIBILITY problem which will deny the piece any chance of gaining traction among the small but important gropu of SOPHISTICATED readers who DO have some basic knowledge of subject, if only from wider reading of general publications. (I.e., what used to be known as “educated” readers.)

    Most notably, the article is MARRED by a few howlers – statements that the WRITER HERSELF clearly did not understand. Examples:

    ZDK-03 AWACs – again this is an older Chinese early warning planes …

    (1) What is an AWAC? How many “AWACs” are we talking about?
    (2) This is an older … planes. Perhaps an older copy editors could be asked to help? /sarc

    The AWAC features an Active Electronically Scanned Arrange (AESA) radar …

    (1) The mysterious “AWAC” again. Perhaps some cutting-edge new technology created in underground laboratories deep under the mountains of Kashmir?

    (2) What is an “Arrange”? Or is this a mis-spelling of “orange¨?

    SUGGESTION: Hire a sophisticated male technical writer, over the age of 50, with a broad education/background. At a minimum, a candidate would have to demonstrate a real (if generalist) understanding of electronics, aviation, military matters, and international politics. (Yes, it will cost you. See if you can find a retired engineer who nonetheless can write.)

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  192. @Anon

    It looks like objectivity is no longer possible; everyone just pushes whatever they want. Must be part of post-modernity that objective reality doesn’t exist any more.

    • Replies: @vox4non
  193. Malla says:
    @迪路

    You see, the idea that you regard us as fools is actually very foolish.

    I do not regard the Chinese as fools, so you are foolish to come to such a conclusion. The average Indian does, but not me. But yes, Chinese anti-India propaganda is very retarded. And so is Indian anti-China propaganda.

    The Cultural Revolution had its necessity of existence, which laid the foundation that those who studied liberal arts could not become the ruling class in China.

    It was Mao saving his ass to get rid of his enemies within the CCP by riling the people against them. Then he used the Army to suppress the people, when he realized that the people had too much power now. Smart cunning strategy to protect political position and power in usual squabbling for power within the CPC.
    Chimping out and destroying your heritage, the same heritage which made China Middle Kingdom and great in the past is an exercise in stupidity, destroying the heritage of your ancestors, an insult to the ancestors. Sure, maybe Buddhism or Confucianism made China weak in the past, supercivilized, but they kept China together and functional. There is no need to destroy it. The Chinese were so shocked after loosing Middle Kingdom Status and chimping out after realizing that those Western and Jap “barbarians” are now more sophisticated, rich and advanced than Middle Kingdom Sino, that they went psychotic. Eventually leading to destroying the heritage which made them Middle kingdom in the past, in the first place. China did not need all this bullshit to develop, could have skipped all this B.S. No country needs this kind of bullshit.

    Isn’t it just constantly being colonized and constantly invaded by foreign countries?

    So what? I have written how populations where agriculture began early were targets of invasion by more war like tougher, bigger meat eating Northern barbarians or in the case of Arabia, Southern barbarians from the desert. This is because, before the Industrial Revolution, good agricultural land was the best wealth producer. So these big, strong Northerners (or Southerners in Arabia) who lived on harsher lands, mostly pastoralists would conquer predominantly grain eating tiny agriculturalists, become the elites and enjoy the wealth. Very common phenomenon across the World, even among Native Americans. Egyptians did not rule themselves for nearly 2000 years since the Persians conquered Egypt until Nasser in the last century. How many of China’s dynasties are foreign? Most of the pre-islamic invaders to India like the Indo-Greeks, Scythians/ Sakyas, White Hunas, Kushanas, Khambojas etc… became Indians with time, genetically and culturally becoming completely Indian with time. They conquered India militarily but India eventually conquered them civilizationally and culturally. And also because those Central Asians all married local Indian women, they became more and more genetically Indian with every generation and got absorbed by the larger agriculturalist population. I did not include the ancient Aryans who came 1500 B.C., because Aryans are one of the base foundational ancestry populations of nearly all South Asians, they are in a different category all together.
    And India produced native Empires like that of Guptas or the Marathas. And a lot of independent native kings.

    You wouldn’t think of taking the Mahabharata and the Ramayana as history, would you?

    Of course I do not consider them history. But after the British did research on ancient Indian sites, excavations and most importantly decyphering of the ancient Indian Brahmi/ Dhamma script and the Kharosti script of Afghanistan by the British like James Princep, a good chunk of ancient Indian history is now well known.

    • Replies: @迪路
  194. @Malla

    Oh come on, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand did very well for themselves after de-colonisation. Must be something in the soil, water or air of those places that makes them so much better than those who de-colonised in Asia, Africa and south of the Rio Grande, eh? Maybe Mulga has some idea what magic element it may be that has propelled some ex-colonies to greater heights of development and achievement while pushing others way down into the abyss of poverty and barbarism.

    • Agree: Malla
  195. 迪路 says:
    @Xavier

    All I can say is that if a life like modi’s were in our country, he would soon be arrested for fraud and incitement.
    Recently, I’ve been constantly seeing very silly Indians on Xiaohongshu. I hope they get rid of our app.

  196. Malla says:
    @Malla

    I forgot to add, in the other act at 1:00:50 mins where an Indian woman is playing a Pakistani woman coming to India, at 1:01:15 she asks the Indian turban wearing Sikh driver, “why did it take you so much time to come and pick me up at the airport?” The Indian driver says he was at the beach waiting for her, because he thought that she (Indian woman playing Pakistani) would come from the sea. When she asks, “from the sea?”, the Indian Sikh driver says “nowadays you Pakistanis come to India via the sea”, so he assumed she will come by boat.
    The Sikh driver is referring to the Pakistani terrorists coming to Bombay by sea and opening fire on Indians. LOL.

  197. 1951 says:
    @Malla

    Well one example, Rwanda. “While France did not orchestrate the genocide, its close relationship with the Habyarimana regime, its support for the FAR, and its delayed response to the killings have drawn significant criticism and raised questions about its role in the Rwandan tragedy. ”
    “In 2021, during a visit to Rwanda, Macron acknowledged France’s “responsibility” in the genocide, stating that France “was not an accomplice” but ultimately sided with the “genocidal regime” and bore an “overwhelming responsibility” in the lead-up to the massacres.
    He admitted that France had been “blind” to the preparations for the genocide and reacted too slowly to stop the killings.
    He also stated that France and its allies “could have stopped” the genocide but lacked the will to do so. ”
    France wanted Nigeria to go to war with Niger, but Nigeria refused. Africa is better off without the British, French and Portuguese and Belgians and Germans. We in the West just need to leave them alone.

    • Replies: @Malla
  198. Malla says:
    @nokangaroos

    Hey nokangaroos, my apologies. I misunderstood your post and went on a rant. All this Wumao sepoy propaganda is just too irritating making me trigger-happy for a blast.
    Again, sorry.
    Yes, you are right, whichever side won WW2, India was going to be free. If the Axis and Bose won, India would have been pro-Germany, pro-Japan, pro-Italy and anti-British, anti-USA and anti-USSR. If the Allies won, Nehru gets power and India is pro-USSR. Either way, the Brits lost.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  199. @Kurt Knispel

    The partition of India was a consequence of differences between Muslim and Hindu populations, and inevitable political manoeuvre by the British following decades of ‘divide and rule’…. Read more at: https://vajiramandravi.com/upsc-exam/partition-of-india/

    Perfidious Albion: DIVIDEETIMPERA & ORDOABCHAO including „the British Crown’s“ (Jews) production and empowerment of Islam – the sword of evil Jewry.

    During the separation the Moslems went beserk, as they usually do, and slaughtered Hindus like sheep. Today the sheep-fuckers are back infiltrating northern India like cockroaches and what do the tolerant Hindus do? They look on (because life seems to short to be bothered by greeds) as the sheep-fuckers build Mosque after Mosque.

    Islam has as much right to exist as Judaism: None, none whatsoever! Both are anti-religions and the enemy of true religiousness. Both are plain instruments of conquest & exploitation.

    So, fuck Judaism, fuck Islam, fuck Pakistan, fuck you, and get off the 5 continents & seven seas, you bloody sodomites; Jews and their Moslems straight out of hell and certainly back into it (soon, because life is comparatively very very short).

  200. Malla says:
    @Wokechoke

    While Islam was most certainly imposed on Spain, there are definitely questions about why it was so easy for Arab armies to roll over Byzantium, Mesopotamia, Egypt and Persia. Muslims must have been viewed early on as the lesser of two evils in several areas.

    The common reason given is that both Zoroastrian Persia and Christian Byzantium had weakened each other via constant wars. And they had Arab tribal allies, quite powerful allies in their wars with each other. It could also be the Arabs from down south were more used to desert warfare and could overwhelm the weakened Roman (Byzantine) Army as well as the Persians.

    Muslims must have been viewed early on as the lesser of two evils in several areas.

    Yes there are such claims w.r.t Syria, Palestine and the like that they were tired of Constantinople and looked at the Muslim Arabs as liberators. Maybe this is true in history. All I am saying because of so much manipulation in history, who knows this is real fact (which it could be) or was manipulated.

    The British always propped up the Turks vs Russia, that is until the Jews wanted Palestine. Then the British were quick to liquidate the Ottoman Empire.
    English sailors were also critical in keeping the Ottomans fighting Napoleonic France. Without Sir Sidney and Nelson France might have conquered Egypt Palestine and Syria.

    Yes. It was situational.

  201. Holy India, the lotus in the mud; soaked with religiousness!
    Jesus, Buddha, Ram and Krishna soaked India with the Devine.
    Innumerable half gods and holy men and women have walked and soaked India (and still do).
    Apart from Hindusim, and unlike the sick Moses religions, Indian Sikhism
    appears as the youngest and most identical religion of India true.
    Pork-feeders, and cadaver devours in general are to far off to understand, let alone grasp.
    That is the bad news and the good news, because it is true: Vegetarianism defeats Judaism (including its manipulated cuts of Christianity and offsprung Islam – God damn!

  202. EdwardM says:
    @Anon

    Again, why won’t India just finish off Pakistan? Why not destroy their entire infrastructure, bombing all their energy, food, water, and medicine supplies, causing the entire population to die off, like Israel is supposedly doing to the Palestinians?

    Because the Pakis have nuclear weapons?

  203. @anonymous

    Is the source presented about the damage to the runway at the Pakistani air base unreliable?

    This same source says that damage was light.

    You however, CHOOSE to believe another analyst who says that the damage was “heavy”.

    None of us know at this stage. The fact that you choose to believe one or the other is telling.

    Anyone who believes the Indian account of events at this early stage falls in one of two categories:
    1. Naive enough to believe the Indians without a large handful of salt.
    2. Indian by ethnicity or nationality, and thereby emotionally invested to believe the Indian account.

    why not engage in the topic at hand

    Because it is useless speculation at this time.

    Talking in a airy fairy manner without reliable info is a rather Indian trait.

    You show a bad mentality with the inability to identify and correct shortcomings.

    I have not even begun to talk about nuts and bolts.

    After we have reliable Battle Damage Assessments, then talking about technical matters make sense.

    As I said above, discussing things like this is superfluous and idle talk done by armchair generals.

  204. @Ummmpph!

    Europeans should stay out of America too. Return it to the natives then

    • Replies: @BouncyFace
  205. @Commentator Mike

    Dealing with a fight between India and Pakistan we won’t know the truth for months to come. Both are adept at making the other look bad whether true or false.

  206. The Houthis aren’t doing too badly either. After shooting down all those Reaper drones, they nearly shot down

    several F-16C fighters and even a fifth-generation F-35A Lightning II from the US Air Force.

    https://en.topwar.ru/264584-pochemu-tramp-zaprosil-mir-u-husitov-jemenskie-povstancy-chut-ne-sbili-stels-istrebitel-f-35-vvs-ssha.html

    I know “nearly” isn’t good enough, and is short of a full hit, but it was apparently enough to send the Yanks packing.

  207. Malla says:
    @迪路

    But in fact, it isn’t.
    From our perspective, this is merely a form of performance art.

    This shows how hopeless the Chinese are in understanding India. Marxists have this stupid tendency to divide the World into the Imperialist Camp and the Revolutionary Camp just like Muslims (Believers and non Believers/ Kaffirs). They cannot fathom non Marxist revolutionaries. Marxist way of analyzing things can lead to retarded conclusions at times, not a wise policy. Even Hindu nationalists have the same view of Gandhi, that it was all a performance act. It is surprising how Hindu nationalist retards and Chinese Commie retards are both so similar in so many ways in their mentality.
    Was Gandhi really responsible for the Independence of India? Maybe, maybe partially. I am not big fan of Gandhi either but to understand Gandhi, one has to read the book, “Hind Swaraj”. Translation: Self Governing India.
    Two points worth noting from the book
    Gandhi says that the British did not settle in India enmass. There are two types of colonialism, the Greek style, where a bunch of Greeks settle in new lands and bring Civilization with them. The British versions would be British settlements in Australia or Rhodesia etc… Or the Roman type colonialism, where a Roman elite rule over a larger native population along with military force. British Rule in India was the Roman variety.
    So Gandhi says, the British need a large number of Indian people to run their Government and system as they did not bring millions of British settlers in India. So if the Indians retract from the system, the system collapses. Simple As.
    The second point to consider from his book is that Gandhi says British pride themselves in their moral superiority so Indians will out-moral the British, due to this the British themselves will support our Independence. So Gandhi takes a staff and challenges the British Empire, he out morals the British themselves, the ideological base of the Empire. So naive Britons at the Imperial Center, in Britain were supporting Gandhi while the smarter Britons living in India and running India were telling the naive Britons back home that Gandhi was playing a cunning trick on them. Which he was.
    This way, says Gandhi the British Empire can be weakened without bloodshed, this was from the lessons of the failure of the 1857 mutiny. Gandhi discusses the mutiny.
    You guys also ignore that the Indian National Congress which included Gandhi, Nehru, Patel etc… belonged to the Extremist branch, there were other people known as the Moderates. Earlier they were one, but the extremist branch, branched out after WW1 when India was not given dominion status like what was given to Australia, Canada and New Zealand for example. Before what Indian Nationalists were interested in Dominion status, which would mean stay within the Empire and have Home Rule, that Indians ran their own affairs. The reason the British Imperial Government did not give Dominion Status to India was because India was a far more complicated place. The Civil services was full of upper caste Hindus and the Muslims, Lower caste Hindus and other populations were opposed to devolution of Power, they preferred British Civil services who were seen as neutral outsiders over upper caste Hindu dominated Dominion of India. But the Indian nationalists saw this as OR spun it around as racism (it’s raceees). Australia, Canada and NZ wuz White and we iz Brown that is why Dominion was not granted to India, the upper caste Hindu Indian Nationalists screamed. After that the extremist branch of the Indian National Congress (who basically took over the entire party from the moderates, so INC meant extremist) started demanding “Sampurna Swaraj” or full independence from the British Empire.
    So did Gandhi destroy the British Empire? Or were they the revolutionaries like Rash Bihari Bose who were shooting British officials and planting bombs, all of them Western educated or England educated upper caste Hindus, who went to the gallows with a smile on their face shouting “Victory to Mother India.”. Rich Indian parents sent their sons to get a high education in Britain, where radicals brainwashed them and they all came back as violent revolutionaries wanting to end the British Empire in India. Indeed, this was very common, throughout the European Empires, Europe educated native gets radicalised in Europe, in the Imperial metropole, comes back and works against the Empire, most anti-colonial leaders across the World have this in common. If not Europe educated, in the metropole, they were all Western educated minority. Were they responsible for destroying the British Empire, hardly. Their effect was minimum, did as much damage to the British Empire as a small cracker does to an old solid stone building.
    Before Gandhi turned it into a mass movement, anti-British activity was just some Western educated upper caste Hindus assassinating British Imperial officers, throwing bombs and the like. Most Indians had nothing to do with this.
    Was Bose who shook hands with Hitler and Tojo responsible? Maybe. But Bose lost because the Axis lost. However, Bose might have still won. When the Indian soldiers fighting with the Japanese Empire surrendered to Indians soldiers fighting for the British Empire, the British Empire soldiers did a lot of brutality on the Japanese Army Indian soldiers. Why? because most of these soldiers belonged to the martial races, who have old martial traditions. And they looked at the Emperor of India, the British Royal family, as their own Emperor and swore fealty to it. As per Indian martial traditions, breaking this promise of loyalty to your Monarch, was extremely despicable, the person looses all honour and is below even a pig.
    BUT, when the British Indian Government tried to try these Indian soldiers in court who fought with the Japanese Empire and the German, SS Waffen as traitors, for some reason, the British Indian Army mutinied and the people of India joined in. Things were going out of control. The Indian people, saw those Indians as not as traitors but freedom fighters. So Bose even in defeat partially succeeded.

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  208. Malla says:
    @迪路

    Or some say, Adolf Hitler was responsible for the Independence of India. Some say Hideki Tojo, some say American President Roosevelt as he was very anti-British Empire as well as anti-all European Empires and even the Japanese Empire. Some say it were the Communists. Lenin said that the British Empire would be attacked at its extremities. Communists believed that Capitalism is not collapsing in the Capitalist Industrial West and Japan because of their colonies, extracting wealth or place to dump their production excess. So after decolonisation, nothing of that sort happened. Neither the West or Japan saw any revolution of the Proletariat after decolonisation and actually saw a lot more economic growth and prosperity after losing their Empires while their Independent colonies stagnated and in Africa, even went backwards.
    What destroyed the British Empire lay outside India as the Empire was larger than India even though India was one of the central pillar of the Empire. Indeed, the British conquered a lot of territory into the British Empire just to protect their link to India. “Conquering a New Empire to protect the Older Empire” as one British Statesman exclaimed. Why? Because of India’s strategic location in the Indian Ocean and Asia. And India’s enormous manpower. Royal Navy + British India means, no other European power could control the Indian Ocean other than Britain. And from India, the Empire could project force anywhere in Asia and Eastern & Northern Africa.
    What destroyed the British Empire was
    1] The weird Germanophobia (which went hand in hand with pro-Americanism) which took over some members of the British establishment by early 1900s.
    2] Breaking the Anglo-Japanese Naval treaty.
    So first point
    Extreme Germanophobia—> More pro Americanism…but US elites anti-British Empire (and anti-other European Empire and Japanese Empire)–>WW1—-> Imperial Germany supports anti-British, Anti-Russian and anti-French Empire revolutionaries in the enemy British, French and Russian Empires. Their Ottomans allies likewise as Sultan is Caliph rile up Muslims in British Egypt, British India, Russian Central Asia , French North Africa etc… All supported by Austro-Hungary—> British Empire on the other hand physically attack German Empire in places like Africa, support Arab Independence from Ottoman rule—>Kaiserite Germany concentrates on supporting revolutionaries in India (Hindu Swarajist anti-British revolutionaries), Wafd in Egypt and Sinn Fein in Ireland. The Infamous German-Hindu conspiracy—> End result after WW1, due to German activities, British Empire loses Southern Ireland, loses Egypt except the canal and massive destruction to Anglo-Indian relations in India, anti-British movement in India intensifies after WW1—>Ottoman interference in India leads to an anti-British Muslim crowd turning anti-Hindu leading to the infamous Mopplah Massacre where as usual, Muslims massacre a large number of Hindu men and take their women—> Rising Hindu nationalism, forming of the RSS in direct response to that massacre, yes the same RSS of Modi which runs India today—>leads to more insecurity in Muslims—> Separation of Pakistan. WW1—> WW2–>Hitler later supports Indian Nationalist Revolutionary Bose—> Hitler plans to invade India via Nazi Germany freindly Iran to liberate India from British with Bose but cannot defeat Soviets so sends Bose to Japan–> Japan/Tojo supports Bose–>trying of Axis Indian soldiers after WW2—> Mutiny of Indian troops against the trial–> Indian masses come to the streets, see those Axis Indian soldiers not as traitors but freedom fighters—>British Empire loses India, rest of the Empire mostly pointless–> British Empire ends.
    Second point
    The breaking of the Anglo-Japanese naval because anti-British, anti-Japanese Murica has a chimpout—> British establishment always trying to appease the USA as they want to destroy Germany—> Murica wants parity with the Royal Navy, despite the fact that while the US navy had to only protect West-East coast of the USA, some islands, Philippines etc.., on the other hand the Royal Navy had to protect the coastline of a gigantic Empire—> But British elites appease anti-British American elites—> Murica chimps out about the Anglo-Japanese Naval alliance–> Pro Murica idiotic British elites appease the British Empire hating American elites and breaks the treaty, a treaty which was of enormous benefit to both the nations.–> Pisses the Japanese—> Japan turns anti-Western Empires in Asia–> Japan internationally isolated, Chinese leaders see this as opportunity to target Japan and rile up the anti-foreigner feelings of uneducated Chinese masses against Japan…all this played a part in later leading to Sino-Japanese war later on which was WW2 and Britain has his greatest loss in his entire history against Japan in Singapore during WW2—> Imperial Overreach of the British Empire in WW2—> South East Asians see Asian Japanese easily defeat White Europeans, destroys their respect for Whitey—>end of British Empire. End of all European Empires (Dutch, French) in South East Asia.

  209. Malla says:
    @迪路

    Gandhi would have survived the Japanese Empire, but would he survive Communists? The Japanese Empire hated those Asians who either supported the foreign Western ideology of Marxism or whose who supported European Empires in Asia, they were considered enemies of Asia and brutality against such traitors to Asia was justified.
    A Gandhi survived the Japanese Empire but could not survive the Communists, he was killed by Communists. I talk of the Korean Gandhi, I speak of Cho Man-sik, a prominent figure in the Korean independence movement who drew inspiration from Gandhi’s principles of non-violence and self-sufficiency. He survived the Japanese Empire. Cho-Man-Sik. Korean Gandhi/ Gandhi of Choson
    SURVIVED JAPANESE EMPIRE BUT KILLED BY COMMUNISTS
    When the Soviet Civil Administration arrived in Pyongyang following the end of the Japanese Empire, they hoped they could influence Cho Man-sik. Cho was at this time the most popular leader in Pyongyang due mainly to his constant resistance to the Japanese Empire and his formation of the Korean Products Promotions Society. Soviet officers regularly met with Cho and tried to convince him to head the emerging North Korea administration. Cho however disliked communism and did not trust foreign powers. He said, he was not going trade subjugation of Korea by Tokyo with subjugation of Korea by Moscow.
    Cho Man-sik would have agreed to co-operate with the Soviet authorities only on his own terms, such as extensive autonomy. Cho’s conditions were not accepted by the Soviet leaders and supervisors. Soviet faith that Cho Man-sik could become a North Korean leader with Soviet ideals diminished and new hope was placed on the Korean communist and pre-Soviet officer Kim Il-sung. Placed under house arrest in January 1946, he later disappeared into the North Korean prison system, where confirmed reports of him end. He is generally believed to have been executed soon after the start of the Korean War, possibly in October 1950. So the Japanese never killed him, he survived the so called “brutal” Japanese Empire. But not the Commies!!!
    So can a Gandhi survive the British Empire? Yes. Can a Gandhi survive the Japanese Empire? Yes. Can a Gandhi survive the Communists? Nope.

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  210. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    Very interesting.
    You mean that even most Indian farmers are megalomaniacs, don’t you?
    This kind of mentality is very strange.
    There is a kind of inexplicable sense of satisfaction.
    Although farmers had a high status here in ancient times, higher than that of scholars, workers and merchants, this was based on a terrifying fact:
    When farmers here are unable to cultivate the land, they will pick up farm tools and try to kill the entire upper and middle classes.
    I think the reason for this phenomenon is related to the extremely unique geographical and geological features of the Yellow River and the Yangtze River. The riverbed of the lower reaches of the Yellow River is several meters higher than the ground.
    Once the breach occurs, it will cause at least several million casualties.
    This has led to frequent floods here, resulting in frequent peasant uprisings.
    The prototype of the first dynasty recorded in our history books was a water conservancy bureau.
    That is to say, since ancient times, it has been meaningless for farmers here to pray to the gods and they will not feel any sense of satisfaction. It’s already very good to be able to survive.

  211. https://www.thehansindia.com/news/national/cannot-fight-with-chinese-weapons-pakistan-army-969407

    Pakistan’s army has been thrown into confusion due to India’s targeted attacks on its defense systems during Operation Sindoor. Indian drone and missile strikes have exposed the weaknesses of Pakistan’s airbases in Lahore, where Chinese-made security systems, once thought to be strong, have failed to stop the attacks. It has now come to light that Pakistani forces lack the skills and training to operate the Chinese weapons and equipment, including missiles and bombs, purchased at high cost. Even the Chinese-supplied systems are unable to detect or stop Indian drones and missiles, raising serious doubts about the effectiveness of China-made military gear. Reports suggest that many Pakistani soldiers are now losing confidence and unwilling to rely on such equipment during war.

    https://www.thehansindia.com/news/national/cannot-fight-with-chinese-weapons-pakistan-army-969407

  212. @Eagle Eye

    When someone has no useful argument, he resorts to pedantry and nitpicks on small things such as spelling errors.

  213. Rich says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Must be a slow day at the glory hole, you’re stalking me again. You fairies are a funny breed.

  214. anon[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    India while was looting from Bangladesh,Nepal,Bhutan for last50 years with periodic disruptiins by anti -Indian forces,was not able to steal from China or Thailand. But you with your wordsmithing,will like people belive that India stole technologies and agricultural innovations from China and Thailand over the same period . That twisted hero worshipping – or worshipping by house negro of the past master- makes you sayFrance did not shortchange Niger .

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  215. @showmethereal

    It’s clear that as a China supporter, you need to question the veracity of the enemy of Pakistan not for actual truth but to give the impression that China is a neutral party in the conflict which of course defies logic.

    If Pakistani bravado vis a vis innocent pilgrims or honeymooners floats your boat then so be it but as a mercantile nation it seems to me that you, i.e. China would rather have a market of 1.5 billion consumers of various degrees than a bankrupt nation which has to run to the IMF every other month for a couple of billion dollars to maintain basic sustenance.

    Pakistans of the world don’t pose a threat to the hegemonical intentions of the wannabe China but India with its myriad shortcomings can and the CCP and Premier Xi are fully aware of it hence the indiscreet policy of bleeding India by thousand cuts. Of course, only time will tell us whether that is a wise Confucius policy or wild, self-defeating moves by amateurs…

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @Xavier
  216. Malla says:
    @Xavier

    The Indian struggle for independence from Britain was the result of upper caste Hindus who wished to supplant the British and usurp their position.

    It was Brahmins + British Jews (Montague, Clemsford) trying to destroy the Empire while Brits, Muslims, Lower castes, Christians, Anglo-Indians etc… trying to save the Empire. Simple as.
    By the 1930s the Muslims realised that Brits are gonna leave and they wanted Pakistan
    because
    1] They did not want to be a minority with a Hindu population high on anti-colonial frenzy and this anti-colonial revolutionary mentality could easily turn on Muslims as before the British, there was Islamic colonialism. Hindus might want revenge
    2] British Rule was acceptable according to the Muslim Ulema, was halal or permissible as British were Christians and thus ‘People of the Book’ while Hindus were lowly idol worshiping barbarians for the Muslims

    And the Brahmin hatred for the British is because for the first time in millennia, the lower castes got right to education and many other rights, thanks to the British Empire and Christian missionaries. You will not believe this, but even upper caste Vaisyas (merchants) did not have a right to education until the British gave it to them. In one of the debates of the youtube channel Science Journey/ Rational World, in a debate with a Vaisya, this fact came out. Crazy. Vaish are upper caste.

    You cannot imagine the depth of their wounded pride.

    Because Indians (or specifically Brahmins) believe that they are the best, most awesome people on planet Earth (except Jew massa). But they suffered 800 years of Muslim rule, whom the Hindus looked down upon as lowly foreign barbarians. This humiliation of Hindu/ Jain to kowtow to foreign barbarian Muslim kings and Emperors surely hurt their ego. Deeeep scratches. Then came the Europeans, and now the Europeans specifically the British were extremely advanced in technology. Add to that, European culture was far more sophisticated and British on average good-looking with White skin. This shook the Brahmins to the core, he of course considered the British as barbarians too but seeing the advanced technology of the British and more polished civilised manners of the British gentry, he was not even sure if he could easily call these people barbarians like he did the Muslims. The idea that a foreign people could invent all this technology instead of the genius brahmin has created enormous pain in the Brahmin soul.
    Hence all that “we wuz scientist” propaganda from Hindu nationalists, the British stole ancient Indian knowledge to develop their technology, that Newton read the Vedas (Newton’s Principia Mathematica came out before the first translations of the Vedas into English was done and Newton did not know Sanskrit) for his theories and millions of fake theories of such kind. You will see that Hindus never make these claims w.r.t Islamic Scholars, because to the Hindu, Muslims are just lowly unclean barbarians. Simple. Hindus and Jains do not even accept the concept of Islamic Civilization, the idea that the Muslim can be civilized is an extremely wild idea for them. If the British of the 13th century had conquered India, Hindus would have considered them barbarians too like Muslims, but the British of the 18th century and later were a just too advanced and sophisticated for this title.
    And this affects their mentality with the Chinese too. What China has reached w.r.t India, India should have reached w.r.t China, in their minds. The rise of China really pisses them off. So they come up with, Chinese weapons are low quality and will fall apart, China only copy while we Indians are original genius. LOL. How many patents come out of India w.r.t China? Why didn’t any Indian company make a real proper high quality alternative to Tiktok after Tiktok left India? Genius. Original Genius.

  217. @showmethereal

    But THEN someone else would fill the vacuum, as happened 500 years ago when people with iron were suddenly able and willing to reach out and touch the western hemisphere. Which Orientals would it be? Near? Far?

  218. Rich says:
    @Wokechoke

    The Moslem conquest of the Levant was far from a walk in the park. At the Battle of Yarmuk the Arabs claimed to have killed over 100,000 Christians. At the Battle of Ajnadayn the Arabs claim to have killed 50,000. Many more battles were fought over a 4-5 year war. Civilians were raped, murdered and enslaved. Some were given the option to convert or die. Islam was viewed as a horrendous evil by the millions who fled before what looked, for a long time, like an undefeatable army. It would take a different Islamic Army another 800 years to defeat the Christians in the region.

    There are some who claim Islam is a version of Arianism that was banned within the Roman Empire but survived until just before the founding of Mohammedism.

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  219. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    The Japanese directly carried out the massacre…
    How could you think Gandhi’s performance art was effective… Not many South Koreans think that Cao Wanzhi(Cho Man-sik), who followed Gandhi’s example, has made more contribution.The Japanese did not kill Cao Wanzhi simply because they knew that what he did was of no use in East Asia.
    His execution can only mean that General Kim couldn’t tolerate clowns.
    You should ask the current South Koreans how much they hate the Japanese.It makes no sense at all to take a clown as an example.
    The actual situation was that members of the predecessor of the Indian People’s Party, the National Volunteer Service of India, killed Gandhi.
    Are you suggesting that the current Indian Party is the CPI?
    The Communist Party of India
    Don’t be too outrageous.

    In some cases, regardless of whether you are resisting or not, the Japanese simply engage in killing competitions…
    If you look at what the Japanese have done in China… You wouldn’t come to such an outrageous conclusion.
    When they occupied the three northeastern provinces, they killed people at will. When they waged the war of aggression against China, they were still killing people.
    The Japanese Empire doesn’t care whether you are a communist or a KMT. They simply take pleasure in killing people.
    A person like Gandhi is a clown here. You don’t have to try to change our point of view, nor do you need to try to convince me that Gandhi is not a clown.
    Our definition of Gandhi is clear. Even a trash like Chiang Kai-shek would despise Gandhi’s behavior, let alone others.
    Chiang Kai-shek visited India to seek joint resistance against Japan. Gandhi: China should offer 200 million people for him to kill.
    How about this? If we invaded India now, we would support a new Mahatma Gandhi.
    Then he told you that 200 million Indians should be killed by us, and then we wouldn’t kill them.
    Would you like it?

  220. Rahan says:
    @Shitposter_in Chief

    Were any Indian aircraft shot down? Maybe, but let’s face it, they’re flown by Indians, so that’s by far the limiting factor, not the aircraft

    Who’s the Pakistani pilot supremacist now?

  221. Rahan says:
    @Notsofast

    soon the europeans will to have to go back to warring amongst themselves, that’s the only way they can have a fair fight. i’m kind of looking forward to it, europe getting back to its roots, all of their schengen, lgbtqulmnop, love fest is getting tiresome, lets get back to bombing each other’s cities flat.

    They have neither: 1) the morale, 2) the birthrate, 3) the age demographic pyramid, 4) the weapons, 5) the skills, 6) or the institutional capacity for this.

    We are at a historical point where Italy’s WWII performance is a shining unattainable peak of military efficiency for Europeans. There will be no bloodbaths, thankfully. At most, should the worst come to the worst, every side will lose a thousand men before suing for peace while presenting it as a glorious victory.

    • Thanks: Notsofast
  222. @BouncyFace

    But THEN someone else would fill the vacuum,…Which Orientals would it be? Near? Far?

    That is an assumption that Westerners make. Westerners assume this of others because that is they way they are. They cannot conceive of anyone behaving differently from them.

    Please have a look at a world map and locate the island of Java in Indonesia. Java was a heavily populated island just north of Australia. The Javanese are part of the Malayo-Polynesian peoples. These peoples had advanced sailing technology that enabled them to span from East Africa all the way to the Easter Island off the coast of South America. They had steel weapons for a millenium and firearms for 500 years.

    The Javanese and other Austronesians traded with the Aborigines of Australia for hundreds, if not thousands of years, yet never conquered or colonised the stone age tribes that lived there.

    You should ask yourself the questions:
    1. “why did the Javanese never conquer Australia that was just a stones’ throw away?”
    2. “why did it take a different civilisation to sail from the other side of the globe, declare Australia ‘terra nullius’ and promptly steal it from its inhabitants”?

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Bankotsu
  223. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    Ok. I’ll reply to you with deepseek.
    This can help me solve your problem more easily.
    The conclusion of deepseek definitely has more evidence than mine to prove my point of view.
    Slander against Marxists:
    Equating Marxists with Muslims (believers and non-believers/Kaffirs) is both ignorant and disrespectful. Marxism is a scientific social theory that emphasizes objective factors such as class struggle, productivity, and production relations when analyzing social phenomena, rather than subjectively dividing the world into “imperialist camps” and “revolutionary camps.” Marxists are capable of understanding and analyzing various forms of revolution, including non-Marxist ones. Moreover, dismissing Marxist analytical methods as leading to “retarded conclusions” completely ignores their immense contributions in explaining historical development and driving social change.
    Distortion of Gandhi and Indian Independence:
    While Gandhi indeed played a significant role in the Indian independence movement, attributing India’s independence solely to him or any single individual is one-sided. Indian independence was the result of the combined efforts of multiple forces, including the radical and moderate factions within the Indian National Congress, various nationalists across the country, the working-class movement, and changes in the international situation. Gandhi’s non-violent resistance strategy was an important component of the independence movement, but it was not the only strategy, nor was it always effective. Furthermore, equating Gandhi with Hindu nationalists and accusing them of being “so similar in their mentality” is a complete distortion of historical facts.
    Confusion between Violent and Peaceful Means in the Indian Independence Movement:
    The Indian independence movement included both Gandhi’s non-violent resistance and violent tactics employed by radicals like Rash Bihari Bose. These two strategies played roles in the independence process but were not mutually exclusive. Dismissing violent means as causing “minimal damage to the British Empire” completely ignores their significant role in stimulating national consciousness and undermining the foundations of colonial rule. Additionally, reducing violent revolutionaries to simply “Western-educated upper-caste Indians” overlooks the complexity of history.
    Misunderstanding of the Caste System and the Independence Movement in India:
    The caste system in India was indeed a complex factor in the independence movement, but reducing it to “upper-caste Indians opposing devolution of power” is one-sided. In fact, many leaders of the independence movement came from diverse caste backgrounds and were united in their quest to overthrow colonial rule and achieve national independence. Moreover, labeling disagreements within the independence movement as “racism” is baseless.
    Misinterpretation of Indian Soldiers and World War II:
    Interpreting the performance of Indian soldiers in World War II as simply “loyalty to the British monarch” or “betrayal due to loyalty” is an oversimplification. In reality, the performance of Indian soldiers in the war was influenced by multiple factors, including nationalist sentiment, dissatisfaction with colonial rule, and concerns about the future of their nation. Additionally, linking the surrender of Indian soldiers to Bose’s failure lacks historical basis.

  224. Malla says:
    @Rich

    Islam is a version of Arianism

    Wait! Were the Germanic Vandals not Arian Christians? So the Vandals go to North Africa and create their own Kingdom, and later the Byzantines conquer the Vandal Kingdom and bring them to Asia Minor. Do you think the Vandals took Arian Christianity to that region, and it mutated to Islam? The Arian Christians rejected the trinity and believed that only God can be prayed to, if I am not mistaken. So did the Vandals take Arianism to the Middle East and this became Islam there? One can wonder.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @nokangaroos
  225. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    First of all, when you search for any information about CPC and Mao through English information sources, it is generally negative.
    Especially the Cultural Revolution. The original intention of the essence was good, but it was later carried out poorly. Conspirators like the Gang of Four also took advantage of this.
    Generally speaking, I recommend that you read the CPC history of the Communist Party of China. You will find that the twists and turns cannot be summarized in a simple sentence, but obviously you don’t understand Chinese.

    Secondly, the period during which India was ruled by foreign rulers in its history was relatively long, involving multiple stages and different rulers, with a total duration of approximately 1,200 years.
    The Invasion of the Aryans: Around 1500 BC, the Aryans invaded India and established the caste system, which had a profound impact on Indian society. This period can be regarded as the beginning of India being ruled by foreign ethnic groups.
    The rule of the Persian Empire and the Macedonian Empire: In 518 BC, the Persian Empire invaded India and captured the entire Indus River Basin. In 326 BC, Alexander the Great of the Macedonian Empire also invaded India. Although the reigns of these two empires were relatively short, they further deepened the history of India being ruled by foreign ethnic groups.
    Invasions by the Greeks, the Serbs, the Great Yuezhi and others: Over the course of several centuries around the Common Era, India was successively invaded and ruled by foreign ethnic groups such as the Greeks, the Serbs and the Great Yuezhi. Among them, the Kushan Empire established by the Great Yuezhi people holds an important position in Indian history.
    The Invasions of the Huns, the Arab Empire and the Turkicized Mongols: Around 540 AD, the Huns who had migrated westward invaded India. In 712 AD, the Arab Empire invaded India, occupying almost all of its territory and establishing the Delhi Sultanate. From 1279 AD, the Turkicized Mongols invaded India. After defeating the Delhi Sultanate, they established the Mughal Empire. The rule of these foreign ethnic groups lasted for a long time and had a profound influence on Indian society.
    The time when China was ruled by foreign ethnic groups was really not long… Only during the Qing Dynasty, the Yuan Dynasty, and the period of separatist regimes for more than 400 years. Moreover, whether it was the Yuan Dynasty, the Qing Dynasty, or the period of separatist regimes, foreign ethnic groups all adopted the systems of the Han people. They all used the Chinese language, and most of them even erased their own language.
    For instance, basically no one can speak Manchu anymore.
    Moreover, for most of history, except for modern times, Ancient China’s GDP has been the world’s largest. I think you have nothing much to say about this.

    Finally, the problem is that you don’t think this is history. This is your merit.
    But if you take a look at reddit and youtube, you will find that countless of your fellow citizens believe this is history.
    Those who believe in modi and the governor of Uttar Pradesh, yogi.
    They are also Indians.
    Your contempt for them won’t change anything… They still think that they have launched nuclear bombs (Pashupata) in the past.
    How are you going to deal with these people?
    Persuade them one by one? Or simply ignore them?
    If you were the ruler, would you fool these people or bestow wisdom upon them?

    • Replies: @Malla
  226. Bankotsu says:
    @littlereddot

    The Javanese are part of the Malayo-Polynesian peoples. These peoples had advanced sailing technology that enabled them to span from East Africa…

    Madagascar was first settled by Austronesian peoples from Maritime Southeast Asia from the Sunda Islands (Malay archipelago).[14] As for their route, one possibility is that the Indonesian Austronesian came directly across the Indian Ocean from Java to Madagascar.

    It is likely that they went through the Maldives, where evidence of old Indonesian boat design and fishing technology persists until the present.[15] The migrations continued along the first millennium, as confirmed by linguistic researchers who showed the close relationship between the Malagasy language and Old Malay and Old Javanese languages of this period.[16][17] The Malagasy language originates from the Southeast Barito languages, and the Ma’anyan language is its closest relative, with numerous Malay and Javanese loanwords.[6][18] It is known that Ma’anyan people were brought as labourers and slaves by Malay and Javanese people in their trading fleets, which reached Madagascar by c. 50–500 AD…”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malagasy_language#History

  227. @Malla

    The main point should be that – the British should have never had territory in South Asia in the first place.

  228. Malla says:
    @迪路

    How could you think Gandhi’s performance art was effective… Not many South Koreans think that Cao Wanzhi(Cho Man-sik), who followed Gandhi’s example, has made more contribution.

    Which is why the Soviets wanted to court him so much? Right? He was not popular at all? Ya Right.

    His execution can only mean that General Kim couldn’t tolerate clowns

    It means that a Gandhi can survive the British Empire, the Japanese Empire, but not a Communist Government. Who is more brutal is for all to see. Calling “clown” is massive cope.

    The actual situation was that members of the predecessor of the Indian People’s Party, the National Volunteer Service of India, killed Gandhi.
    Are you suggesting that the current Indian Party is the CPI?
    The Communist Party of India
    Don’t be too outrageous.

    In India, Gandhi was killed by the Hindu Nationalists. They, too, think Gandhi was a useless clown (and a pro-Pakistan traitor to boot). See, Chicoms and Hindu Nats have a lot more in common than one thinks.

    You don’t have to try to change our point of view, nor do you need to try to convince me that Gandhi is not a clown.

    Cool, stay in your delusions.

    How about this? If we invaded India now, we would support a new Mahatma Gandhi.
    Then he told you that 200 million Indians should be killed by us, and then we wouldn’t kill them.
    Would you like it?

    You Chinese Communists are far more brutal and bloodthirsty and in such a case, the Indian population would decide what action to take.

    Equating Marxists with Muslims (believers and non-believers/Kaffirs) is both ignorant and disrespectful. Marxism is a scientific social theory that emphasizes objective factors such as class struggle, produ

    LMFAO. I just compared one trait both groups tend to have in common, and this trait is not always permanent. I do not think one trait equals to an equating.

    Furthermore, equating Gandhi with Hindu nationalists and accusing them of being “so similar in their mentality” is a complete distortion of historical facts.

    Who does that? Well Jinnah the founder of Pakistan considered Gandhi too Hindu. Anyways, some parts of the Deepseek analysis looks good. It is showing some I.

    Additionally, reducing violent revolutionaries to simply “Western-educated upper-caste Indians” overlooks the complexity of history.

    As the Morning Post on September 28, 1921 observed : “The worst of the Indian extremists come from the English-educated stratum. The two most conspicuous outrage plotters, Hardayal and Krishnavarma, both took English University honours.”

    In fact, many leaders of the independence movement came from diverse caste backgrounds and were united in their quest to overthrow colonial rule and achieve national independence.

    Later part of the Independence movement.

    Interpreting the performance of Indian soldiers in World War II as simply “loyalty to the British monarch” or “betrayal due to loyalty” is an oversimplification. In reality, the performance of Indian soldiers in the war was influenced by multiple factors, including nationalist sentiment, dissatisfaction with colonial rule, and concerns about the future of their nation.

    I do not know when did we ever discuss performance of Indian soldiers? Anyways, interesting information.

    • Replies: @迪路
  229. FTB says:
    @迪路

    Fuck the stinky pajeets. Kill them all.

  230. FTB says:
    @K.V.Sadasivan

    Go eat more sit and die you Hindu rodent.

    Your penalty for aggression against Pakistan is not our business you dot headed cocksucker.

  231. Malla says:

    The main point should be that – the British should have never had territory in South Asia in the first place.

    Every India would agree with you, but those same every Indian would also agree that China should not be in Tibet.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @showmethereal
  232. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @Beyond the pale and fedup

    One does not have to an expert to notice that a country of 240M fought a country of 1.4B to a standstill.
    Only Uncle Sam rushing to the rescue (of NATO arms dealers) avoided more embarrassment.

    One does not have to be a psychologist to notice you are a dunce.

    This was not 240M fighting and beating 1.4B. Here is what happened.
    =There was the terrorist attack.
    =3 pajeets jumped into jets anad attacked Pakiland
    =3 Pakis jumped into jets and attacked the Pajeets
    =Pakis and Pajeets fired missiles at each other

    Modi and the Paki President sent messages to each other via homing pigeons. They decided that coolies killing coolies was not cool.

    =Orange head then claimed HE stopped the war.
    =The usual Orange Head ME ME ME bullshit.
    =Modi claimed Trump was not involved at all.
    -Who is lying ? The Orange or the Pajeet ?
    =Pakiland, which just got a giant Orange Head tariff shoved up their ass, praised said Orange Head as an oracle, dealmaker and peace maker and whatever. Will the Pakis get a tariff redemption ? Will Orange Man pull his dick out their arse as a result of the praise ?
    =Stay tuned for tomorrow’s episode of “ All My Tandoori Chickens” starring the 3 Amigos (Modi, Orange Wig and Ass If Ali)

    =This “war” lasted four days and was akin to Kojak and Yul Brynner fighting for a comb !
    =At the most the people actually involved in combat was 200 on each side not 240M and 1.4B
    =Both sides claimed “massive” damage on the other side which is crap
    =Both sides claimed victory which is also crap
    =Propaganda and hearsay is rampant
    -Every Bozo in their Granny’s basement think themselves Von Clausewitz and have an analysis
    =Both sides are liars along with US Amigo 3

    Military experts CANNOT assess long term effectiveness from 4 days of “combat”. Your aside about NATO arms dealers is drivel.

    Bin Tin Tin is no expert (and less than an amateur) and will certainly have no access to action plans and after action reports. Therefore what he writes is based on tah dah propaganda, hearsay and You Tube click clack ! Hence, this article is SHIT !

    What we know is that we dont know a dam thing !

    Your comment is sheer nonsense. Smoking banana leaves in a dirty bong is unhealthy and may well be the cause of your low IQ.

  233. @BlackFlag

    Well as Hua noted – none of those are China’s top weapons are the most potent. The J10 A and B are being retired shortly – which is why China released the J 35. The J10 C’s will go on though. But yeah it’s still based on a 25 year old design. The PL 15 is a slowed down and shorter range version of the one China uses and even then the PL 17 is now China’s top air to air missile. And yeah also of note is the air defense and AWACs that China gave Pakistan are not the current versions either. Part of it is export controls that all major powers have. But I personally (yes my opinion) don’t think China fully trusts the military establishment of Pakistan even though they are “iron brothers”. The coup against PM Khan was not to China’s liking and also showed that U.S. agents are still infesting Pakistans military structure. Khan was immensely popular in Pakistan and they removed him on a whim because he was against U.S. policy

    • Thanks: BlackFlag
  234. Rich says:
    @Malla

    I’ve come across that theory in several different places.

    • Thanks: Malla
  235. @ThreeCranes

    The major difference is the Japanese empire saw itself as copying western empires (which is why the U.S. was backing it to westernize Asia during Theodore Roosevelt in the early 1900’s)…. So not the same

  236. @CCKG

    Back with your troll script again? Ok Mr fake Chinese Nationalist. Since you are so concerned with Mao making friends with the Japanese in 1972 – why don’t you tell us why the KMT didn’t go and seize the Diayou Islands instead of letting the U.S. give “administration” to Japan? Talk about that clown. The DPP likewise does nothing. It’s the Mainland who has been running away the Japanese from Diayou since Abe “nationalized” them back in 2012 – going against a promise to not do anything. Just last week more Japanese were run away by the PLA. Talk about that clown. You are a fake Chinese Nationalist with a weak script.

    2) ummm. That simply makes sense. The communists had no standing army so could only fight guerilla warfare

    5) 6) 7) yeah the anti CPC people like yourself should absolutely blame Japan. The KMT almost killed off the communists – but Japans invasion stopped its progress. You should also blame all the alliance of 8 Nations against China because had they not weakened the Qing then the communist ideology would have never gotten into China in the first place.
    Also you are phony if you don’t get the nuance. In establishing relations with Japan – getting full reparations would have been a sign of weakness in the Chinese mind.

    In any event the KMT is impotent and the DPP who is in power in Taiwan is busy licking the boots of the Japanese and whitewashing all of the atrocities the Japanese committed against Chinese and the rest of Asia. So why aren’t you talking about that? Because you are a pathetic troll and NOT a real Chinese patriot. At least the KMT is calling out William Lai for bowing to the Japanese . Who are you trying to fool?

    • Replies: @FTB
  237. Malla says:
    @迪路

    This period can be regarded as the beginning of India being ruled by foreign ethnic groups.

    If the Aryans are foreign, then the first black Australoid hunter-gatherers who came to India are foreign too.

    the Persian Empire invaded India and captured the entire Indus River Basin. In 326 BC, Alexander the Great of the Macedonian Empire also invaded India.

    They could rule at most like 10% of India. 90% of Indian subcontinent was not affected. And your Pakistani serfs….oops…brothers should take that hit of foreign rule. But your pakistani brothers think they are Turks and Persians and not Indian, so maybe we Indians need to take the load of our history. A fun fact, the Indian part of the Persian Empire was the richest. While the rest of the Middle East paid their taxes in sheep, crops, mother’s pussy etc… the Indian part of the Persian Empire paid in pure gold.

    Invasions by the Greeks, the Serbs, the Great Yuezhi

    Serbs??WTF?

    In 712 AD, the Arab Empire invaded India, occupying almost all of its territory and establishing the Delhi Sultanate. From 1279 AD, the Turkicized Mongols invaded India. After defeating the Delhi Sultanate, they established the Mughal Empire.

    Is this from deep seek AI? History fail. The Arabs did not create the Delhi Sultanate. The Turks created the Delhi Sultanante which was defeated by Babur to create the Mughal Empire. Mismatch of people and Empire names. Match the following fail.
    Anyways, that is not important, no need to go into Indian history, something you are not interested in. The main point is, the pre-Islamic invaders mixed up with the people, they adopted Buddhism or maybe Hinduism, they became Indian. Once Muslims started coming, they remain separate from traditional Indian culture. Hindus consider them foreign and potential traitor to the nation.

    most of them even erased their own language.

    Were the Tangs not of Turkish origin? Are you sure the Aisin-Gioro Manchu Imperial family not speaking Manchu in the Imperial Palace all the way till 1911-12?? No Manchu language was heard at all? Was there a genocide of Manchus in China after 1949?? There are rumours abound.

    If you were the ruler, would you fool these people or bestow wisdom upon them?

    Bestow Wisdom, of course. But that is risky. Four Indian rationalists, one of them a marxist, one of them a woman were gunned down by Hindu nationalists. They were going around the country trying to educate people about science and rationalism and give up stupid superstitions. Those four are Govind Pansare (Marxist), Narendra Dabholkar, MM Kalburgi & Gauri Lankesh (woman). All four assassinated by Hindu Nationalist hotheads for being anti-Hindu and anti-tradition.
    DO read about it here.
    https://www.newsclick.in/they-cannot-silence-dabholkar-pansare-kalburgi-or-gauri-lankesh
    They Cannot Silence Dabholkar, Pansare, Kalburgi, or Gauri Lankesh

    The Hindu nationalist Organization which killed them was the Sanathan Sanstha, you can check out their website. Could be interesting.

    https://www.sanatan.org/en/

  238. @Malla

    India was at one time, majority Buddhist. But Hiddendoo took over because it was socially structured, made The State connection of funding and influence, and was loosy goosy with morality, i.e., “Play To Pay”. If you got dough, you can roll.

    The hypocrisy of Hindoo Hinjews is too much to take. For example, Usha Vance Chilikuri’s mother, Provost at UC San Diego and a “molecular biologists”, who just loves DEI and every other San Francisco half shell idiotarian ideals.

    No offense intended.

    • Agree: Malla
  239. @Notsofast

    Wasn’t the original su-57 program supposed to have India as a junior partner and then India pulled out ..?

    One caveat – I don’t believe the export version of the PL15 is that fast. It’s “dumbed down” but still supersonic

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  240. @One Nobody

    Yeah it’s weird how some try to erase the Islamic Golden Age and how it contributed to modern scientific workings

    • Replies: @Malla
  241. Malla says:
    @anon

    India while was looting from Bangladesh,Nepal,Bhutan for last50 years with periodic disruptiins by anti -Indian forces,was not able to steal from China or Thailand.

    Of course. We have looted our colonies. Or how can you explain India’s high standard of living? Our hard work and intelligence. Of course not. By looting our colonies. But it benefitted us. 50 years back, before we started out lootings, we used to shit in the streets and not a toilet to be found. The word toilet was not even in our vocabulary. Now, since looting our colonies has enriched us, now all of us have those fancy Japanese multiple option spray ones. So looting our colonies worked out well for us, we are very satisfied and pleased.
    We could not steal from China because the brave Maoists would not let us. In Thailand, we are terrified of kickboxers. However, we feel this is unfair as our Hindu Holy book Manusmriti commands us to conduct Jihad and loot the wealth of the unbelievers, the Malech. It is our religious duty to jihad and loot. Maybe the Chinese heroic Maoists should consider this and allow us a little lootin.

    horse negro

    What? Horse negro? What is dis? Ok on research I find out, Deepsick AI gave me some example of this term called Horse Negro. One example Deepsick gives is ”Pakistan is a Horse Negro of China”. One more, “Bangladesh desires to be a Horse Negro of China”. Thanks, I learnt about a new term today.

    France did not shortchange Niger .

    I agrees withs you. What would France be without it’s Niger? Without it’s Niger, France would be as poor and backward as Sweden, while without La France, Niger would be rich and advanced like Malawi. True. I would go further to say that, without African looted wealth, Europe would be as poor and backward as Japan and without Europe lootings, Africa would have been as rich and advanced as Papua New Guinea. True.

    • Replies: @anon
  242. @Commentator Mike

    Yeah but if the plane is relatively slow and can’t fly high (relatively) that affects how it can shoot. Also the radar (and datalinks) is absolutely important …. You can’t shoot a missile if you can’t find the target. In general – bigger fighter jets carry bigger radar which can find more targets. All of those things work together

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  243. Malla says:
    @1951

    He also stated that France and its allies “could have stopped” the genocide but lacked the will to do so. ”

    Why should France interfere in the internal affairs of Rwanda and then invite more bullshit about Colonialism from retarded Commies and Afro-rats??? Good that stayed out.

    France wanted Nigeria to go to war with Niger, but Nigeria refused.

    https://businessday.ng/news/article/nigeria-denies-alleged-alliance-with-france-to-undermine-nigers-stability/
    The (Nigerian) Federal Government has denied allegations by Niger Republic’s military leader, Abdourahamane Tchiani, that Nigeria colluded with France in a plot to destabilise his country.
    Mohammed Idris, Nigeria’s minister of Information and National Orientation, described the allegations in a statement on Thursday as baseless and an attempt to divert attention from the failures of Tchiani’s administration.

    “These claims exist solely in the realm of imagination. Nigeria has never engaged in any alliance, overt or covert, with France or any other country to destabilise the Niger Republic,” the statement noted.

    Africa is better off without the British, French and Portuguese and Belgians and Germans.

    Not sure about that, but I am sure that Britain, France, Portugal, Belgium and Germany are better off without Africa.

    We in the West just need to leave them alone.

    Completely agree mate. The West should distance from the Turd World as much as possible. But for that to be possible, 98% of all non-White non-natives need to be remigrated out of the West. Because, non-Whites will form lobbies and encourage the West to intervene from their side. So, after remigration of non-Whites from White lands, the West should have minimal contacts with the Turd World.
    And also, the West should give up all Universal ideologies, which involves ALL MANKIND. Christianity as we understand it today, Global human rights, liberalism, Free Trade, Global Capitalism, United Nations, Marxism. All of these universal ideologies need to be banned from the West. It is these ideologies which makes the West unwisely get involved in the Turd World.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  244. anon[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    The 6th Dalai Lama, Tsangyang Gyatso, was born in what is now the Tawang district of Arunachal Pradesh, India.

    India occupied Tawang in 1951 and removed Tibetan administration from the area.[3][4] China continues to claim Tawang as its territory.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawang
    .
    The Qing dynasty ruled Tibet from 1720 to 1912, until it was overthrown and replaced by the Republic of China

    For decades, the British Empire viewed Tibet as a region of strategic importance.

    After expelling the British, India pursued its strategic ambitions and eventually took control of part of Tibet.

    Figures like Jawaharlal Nehru appeared to share a consensus that India should extend its control over more of Tibetan territory.

    The true revisionist and expansionist power in Asia is India. Just ask Sikkim, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Bhutan—and for that matter, the Dalai Lama, who was arm-twisted.

    Unfortunately for Nehru and India, China wasn’t a minor power like Sikkim—and when India initiated the war in 1962, its military ended up being crushed.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Thanks: FTB, showmethereal
    • Replies: @Malla
  245. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says:

    @poupon pox,
    Buddha himself is a Hindu, and your esus prick was in India to learn is sermons during his missing years, so try finding were he ran during his missing escapades between 12 & 30 years age and after imaginary death.

  246. Malla says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Once they begin to catch on to the modern world, Asians seem to be subject to a certain grandiose opinion of themselves.

    Most populations on planet Earth have grandiose opinions of themselves and this has nothing to do with modernity. They were like this even when they were poor and backward. It is human nature, sadly.

  247. @Malla

    Were the Tangs not of Turkish origin? Are you sure the Aisin-Gioro Manchu Imperial family not speaking Manchu in the Imperial Palace all the way till 1911-12??

    Tang was of mixed (proto-Mongolic) Xianbei-Han origin.

    The Xianbei sinized well before Tang (618–907), during Northern Wei (386–535). So left no imprint of their language.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei#Sinicization,_assimilation_and_descendants

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change_of_Xianbei_names_to_Han_names

    The Manchus lost their language around the time of Qianlong (1711–1799).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qianlong_Emperor#Chinese_political_identity_and_frontier_policy

    Malla, I’m correcting/edifying you out of respect. The Chicom trolls spread shameless lies, especially about Japan, but at the present moment, history is on their side.

    PRC nativized Russian Marx-Leninism, same as Tang and Song had nativized Indian Buddhism.

  248. @迪路

    支那猪, by your logic of 杀杀杀, 皇军对你太仁慈了。

    [MORE]

    On February 12, 1951, Mao Zedong called the heads of Nanjing and Shanghai: “Shanghai is a large city with a population of 6 million. According to the situation that Shanghai has arrested more than 20,000 people and only killed more than 200 people, I believe that in 1951, at least about 3,000 criminal bandit leaders, habitual bandits, bullies, spies and (Dao) club leaders should be killed within one year. And in the first half of the year, at least about 1,500 people must be killed. Please consider whether this number is appropriate.

    In Nanjing, according to the telegram from Comrade Ke Qingshi to Comrade Rao Shushi on February 3, 72 people have been killed, and another 1,500 people are planned to be killed. This number is too small. Nanjing is a large city with a population of 500,000, and the capital of the Kuomintang.

    There seems to be more than 2,000 reactionaries to be killed… Nanjing is too few people, so more people should be killed in Nanjing!”[5][22][23]

    1951年2月12日,毛泽东致电南京、上海方负责人:“上海是一个600万人口的大城市,按照上海已捕20000余人仅杀200余人的情况,我认为1951年一年之内至少应当杀掉罪恶大的匪首、惯匪、恶霸、特务及(道)会门头子3000人左右。而在上半年至少要杀掉1500人左右。这个数字是否妥当,请你们加以斟酌。南京方面,据2月3日柯庆施同志给饶漱石同志的电报,已杀72人,拟再杀1500人,这个数目太少。南京是一个50万人口的大城市,国民党的首都,应杀的反动分子似不止2000余人……南京杀人太少,应该在南京多杀!”[5][22][23]

    https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hans/镇压反革命运动

    心在山东身在吴,飘蓬江海谩嗟吁。

    他时若遂凌云志,敢笑黄巢不丈夫。

  249. Malla says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Of course-a false flag is not just possible,

    Very unlikely, the opposition too believes it to be Pakistani terrorism. Kapil Sibal (the guy with the glasses) is an opposition MP, and they all are with the Government and want the war to end after Pakistan promises to stop supporting terror. If it were a false flag, the opposition would have ripped the Government apart first.

    What’s the Truth About the Ceasefire? | Central Hall

    Former Indian diplomats Navtej Sarna and TCA Raghavan as well as The Hindu’s Diplomatic Editor, Suhasini Haider join anchor Opposition MP Kapil Sibal (dude with glasses) to sift through the claims and counter-claims and get to the truth of it all.

  250. Ohoh, we have a typical racist fanatic on board. Or fanatic racist.

  251. @littlereddot

    OK – So, if spelling doesn’t matter, WHAT IS an “electronically scanned arrange”? Or, must we first decode, and THEN try/start to understand?
    And how ABOUT all those AWACS planeS? C’mon – COUNT ’em.

    • Thanks: Eagle Eye
    • Replies: @littlereddot
    , @Eagle Eye
  252. Rurik says:
    @One Nobody

    Read some history you dumb fuck and realize that without Moorish Spain, Europeans would still be eating with their fingers and would never have known what a five course meal is from a telescope.

    pure idiocy

    https://arsartisticadventureofmankind.wordpress.com/2015/06/28/pre-romanesque-visigothic-art/

    https://www.ilustromania.com/artistic-movements/visigothic

    and all we have today is what remains of that ancient and sophisticated civilization that the Moorish orcs didn’t manage to destroy, as they imposed their barbaric ways on those far superior peoples and culture during centuries of brutal rape and slavery.

    A incomprehensible tragedy and enormity beyond reason.

    Thanks Jews.

    • Replies: @ivan
  253. @Malla

    The ‘Opposition’??!! In Hindutvastan? You are a caution.

  254. @Malla

    As psychopaths do, this maniac grows ever more deranged and grandiose in his delirium of race hatred. Soon enough, it will be braying to nuke the majority world. ‘Exterminate the brutes’ is his motto and raison d’etre..

  255. anon[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    You are a house negro. Horse negro is the one who tranples on you .It is French .

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  256. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    I mean, nowadays no ordinary person can speak Manchu anymore.
    From the Manchu people I know now, they don’t use the Manchu language at all. Only some professors who study Manchu history will use it.
    Moreover, in terms of appearance, the Manchu people are actually no different from the Han people. A classic example is Wu Jing.
    He is a Manchu.
    As for the issue of Hinduism.
    The actual situation is… You can’t change the current situation…
    If you try to tell that group of crazy believers the current situation, they will consider killing you first.
    Overall, my own opinion is that Hinduism has a large number of things that should not be retained.
    Theoretically, the correct approach is to develop a new kind of Hinduism. This is a mild approach, an improved version of Hinduism.
    Or a cultural revolution will be carried out to delete what should not have survived. This is a radical approach.
    In this way, you can deal with that group of lunatics.
    Otherwise, you have no way to solve the problem. Do you want to kill them all?
    This is not realistic.

  257. Eagle Eye says:
    @littlereddot

    … pedantry and nitpicks on small things such as spelling errors.

    Nice try, but the items quoted in detail are neither “spelling errors” nor “nitpicks,” but go to fundamental points (relating to the state of Chinese avionics technology) that the article attempts to convey.

    The (actual) authoress consistently refers to “AWAC.” Perhaps understandable that the acronym AWACS (Advanced Warning and Control System) does not feature much in her English Lit. world, but a writer familiar with at least the basic concepts at a Wikipedia level might have been a more suitable choice to handle this particular writing job.

    Similarly, as commenter N. Joseph Potts noted, “electronically scanned arrange” is simply not the correct technical term of art for this concept. Not knowing and understanding the concept means the authoress is simply regurgitating somebody else’s talking points.

    On the plus side, the new authoress managed to refrain from adding Hua Bin’s trademark sophomoric insults.

    • Agree: Corrupt
    • Thanks: N. Joseph Potts
  258. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    Obviously, I’m not a CPC member. If I were really a CPC member, I wouldn’t have made such aggressive remarks.
    At least the CPC for now is very moderate.
    It is not as aggressive as in previous eras. The whole of Asia should thank CPC for its love of peace.
    As for Gandhi and Hindu nationalists, I think both Hindu nationalists and Gandhi are to some extent clowns.
    It’s just that Hindu nationalists have gone further down the path of clowns.
    I at least admit that Gandhi was a saint compared to Hindu nationalists…
    But as you can see, I just assumed that such a situation occurred.
    In other words, if Gandhi were reborn now and said to Pakistan, “Let you kill 200 million Indians.”
    Then Hindu nationalists would still choose to kill Gandhi.

    • Replies: @Malla
  259. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    In fact, I tend to think that this incident was fabricated by Hindu nationalists or terrorist organizations under the US government.
    Otherwise, why did the terrorist attack happen exactly after JDvance visited modi?
    The Indian government could have solved the problem through the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
    The Shanghai Cooperation Organization has the function of a regional counter-terrorism agency, and India happens to be one of its member states.
    If India exerts pressure on the Shanghai Cooperation Organization directly through diplomatic means, the problem can be solved directly.
    Pakistan also stated that it welcomes the investigation.
    The Pakistani side cannot resist the pressure from the international community.
    However, India chose to close the dam to pressure Pakistan. Considering that Pakistan itself relies on this water source, this move itself is a declaration of war against Pakistan.
    That is to say, modi and his group might have initially done this with the idea of using attacks on Pakistan to gain approval ratings.

  260. FTB says:
    @showmethereal

    In any event the KMT is impotent and the DPP who is in power in Taiwan is busy licking the boots of the Japanese and whitewashing all of the atrocities the Japanese committed against Chinese and the rest of Asia.

    Many American veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan I know are 100% opposed to any war with Iran, China or Russia.

    A lot of them are Christians and hate Taiwan’s DPP because those woke traitors promote shit like feminism and hosts the largest fag pride parade in Asia aside from Israel.

    Besides, many of us had family who fought against the japs in WW2 in the Pacific Islands and remembered how badly they treated our POWs so fuck all of them. We should have firebombed them out of existence like Gen. LeMay had planned.

    I’m glad our Marines often never took jap prisoners. I know things were worse for your country so if the nips had enraged our guys to the point where they would cut the throats of wounded jap Marines or piss in the mouth of the corpses I can understand why many of your people want to nuke those buck toothed, bow legged motherfuckers into ashes.

    What’s eye opening is many of those same Marines who later fought against the Chinese in the Korean War had nothing but admiration for their courage and professionalism and said the Chinese forces treated UN POWs humanely.

    Whatever happens from this point on is between you, the KMT, the DPP who will probably promote child trannies and the jappo pantie sniffing perverts. We got our own bullshit we need to fix and a possible civil war to win against the Khazarian subversives in our own country.

    • Thanks: Cloudwalker
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  261. @Proteus Procrustes

    What is your drivel about? Was evidence produced that Pakistan helped the terrorist? No. So stop bloviating about other things . Stay focused. Could it be no evidence was provided because it was simply locals who are fed up with the way they have been treated for decades in Kashmir by India..? Stop pretending as if this is some new issue

  262. @BouncyFace

    I guess since I don’t have the mind of a European I don’t think in that manner.

  263. @Malla

    Sure I guess that’s Indian logic comparing neighbors fighting to a foreign invader of another race coming from thousands of kilometers away. Fact is China as far back as the Tang dynasty tried all manner of diplomacy with then Tibetan Empire – starting with inter marrying in that era to ensure blood ties. But the Tibetan Empire wasn’t tamed. The Mongols and the Manchu both decided to subjugate the Tibetan Empire because they considered them incapable of being peaceful. The Han Chinese as successor government simply did the smart thing and kept the claims on the territory. Turned out to be wise as they knew those scheming British would be back trying to break off Tibet as they had been doing in the days of the Qing

  264. @N. Joseph Potts

    OK – So, if spelling doesn’t matter, WHAT IS an “electronically scanned arrange”? Or, must we first decode, and THEN try/start to understand?

    err, maybe
    1. he typed fast and mispelled it?
    2. he is an older man who was not wearing his spectacles and did not see the error?
    3. his spell check auto corrected it without him knowing?

    Any idiot knows he meant Electronically Scanned Array. He substantiated with the use of the AESA acronym in brackets immediately afterwards. For you to understand one, then nitpick on the other shows you know what it means, but you pretend that you do not.

    You have used an obvious spelling error, and turned it into “proof” that the author doesn’t know what he is talking about. This “proof” is in your own head only.

    And how ABOUT all those AWACS planeS? C’mon – COUNT ’em.

    Again you are being pedantic.

    Everybody knows what he means. He used “AWAC” in conjunction with ZDK-03 which is universally understood as an Airborne Early Warning and Control plane produced for Pakistan.

    Is there another commonly used AWAC term in relationship to airplanes? There isn’t. And you clearly knew what he meant.

    Let’s cut to the chase here, and avoid all the BS.

    You are clearly anti-China, and are peeved with Hua Bin praising Chinese weapons. You are unable to find substantial fault with what Hua Bin is actually writing, so you resort to nitpicking on small errors.

    I believe the appropriate term to describe this behavior is “coping”.

    • Agree: Corrupt
  265. @Eagle Eye

    Please refer to #269 addressed N Joseph Potts. The same points apply to your comment.

  266. 迪路 says:
    @K.V.Sadasivan

    You Dalits, please stop talking…
    You should take Malla, the Kshatriya, as an example to learn from. At least he knows that Hindu nationalism is harmful.
    It makes no sense to deceive oneself.

    • Replies: @K.V.Sadasivan
  267. @One Nobody

    “Without the logarithms of AlJaber where would Western computing or AI be.”

    Answer: Western computing would be exactly where it is now. Why? Because logarithms would have been developed by other people. Indeed, Western computing and modern mathematics in general have developed way, way, way, way past logarithms.

    By your implied logic, if Newton had not discovered the laws of classical mechanics, no one would know the laws of classical mechanics. But, surely other people would have eventually discovered those laws.

    It is obvious that you are annoyed by the fact that in the last 500 or so years nearly all of the cutting edge discoveries and/or advances in science and technology were pioneered by Western scientists and engineers. But, as I have shown, you can take solace in the fact that if Western scientists had not gotten there first, eventually even, say, modern Moorish scientists and engineers would have made some of those discoveries.

  268. Tarrasik says:
    @Wokechoke

    Supposedly Jew were responsible for the conquest of both Spain and Constantinople. They let the Moors into the Spanish fort of Toledo by opening a back gate. They did the same thing to to the Byzantines at Constantinople.

    That Jewish betrayal is one of the reasons why Queen Isabella kicked all Jews out of Spain in 1492.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  269. Xavier says:
    @Proteus Procrustes

    but as a mercantile nation it seems to me that you, i.e. China would rather have a market of 1.5 billion consumers

    1.5 billion भिखारी?

    • Replies: @Proteus Procrustes
  270. @showmethereal

    Yes of course, they need all that to make those fast long range missiles work effectively.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  271. Vidi says:
    @迪路

    As for your thinking that I have something to do with the Green Gang, that’s even funnier… Speculation should be based on a reasonable foundation.

    When I speculate, I say so. (“My newest estimate…”.) But you definitely have a gangster’s attitude.

    • Replies: @迪路
  272. ivan says:
    @Malla

    The Pakistanis allegedly stand for their Muslim brothers, but care less about the Uigyurs oppressed by China to a greater degree (by an order of magnitude in fact) than anything the Indians, even under Modi have done to the Kashmiris. Yet for them the crimes of their “all weather friend” counts for nothing. How shameless a people does the leadership of the Pakistanis have to be, to be a cheap hoar for hire for the Chinese. The Chinese think this business of triangulating against India on the cheap by using the Punjabi Muslim hatred for Hindu Indians will continue forever. But the Indians have shown by destroying the Pakistani airfields comprehensively (much with missiles carried on Indian aircrafts) that we have a few aces up our sleeves.

    The Operation Sindoor as the Indians call it has in fact broken the mould of prior Indo-Pak conflicts where fear of nuclear conflict was always on the back of the mind of the Indian planners, but now with the speed and decisiveness of the Indian armed forces, the Pakistanis did not even have time to dial up that option and which in fact would be the proximate cause for the American intervention to broker a ceasefire.

    Knowing Modi, and his penchant for running to the front of the parade, there is little doubt in my mind that he would have liked the conflict to continue for at least a week more, to give time for the BJP propaganda machine to build up his image to exceed that of Indira Gandhi, the Durga who broke Pakistan in 1971.

    It wont be long though before the butcher’s bill comes due for China.

    • LOL: Xavier
    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @Malla
  273. Vidi says:

    PL-15E missiles have destroyed Rafales. At least some of these missiles are made on a fully automated production line. (Link to a ten-minute video.)

    One implication of this: if the USA attacks China with fighter jets, they will be blown away. And the next week, China will have even more PL-15s.

  274. @迪路

    Han Chauvism is dangerous. The slanty eyed Chinese think they are superior but are slaves.Recall Boxer Revolt.You drug addict slant eyed Chinese pigs.

    • LOL: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @迪路
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  275. ivan says:
    @Rurik

    We have to thank the Spaniards for their 700 year long Reconquista to take back Hispaniola from the Muslims and their sometime Jewish sidekicks. Without which there would be no Magellan, Vasco da Gama, Christopher Columbus, Isabella, Hernan Cortez, Phillip II, Velasquez, Cervantes, Goya etc., etc.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  276. Eagle Eye says:
    @N. Joseph Potts

    Thanks.

    One still hears a few dogs barking, but the caravan of educated dialog moves on. İt ürür, kervan yürür.

  277. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    Here is a ready-made Hindu nationalist.@K.V.Sadasivan.
    You can try to see if you can persuade him.

  278. 迪路 says:
    @K.V.Sadasivan

    It’s really dangerous.
    Otherwise, if Han nationalism is left unchecked, Japan, India and the Philippines may all suffer a catastrophic disaster.
    This is the reason why our government suppresses Han nationalism.
    Could it be that you would like to try the degree of danger?
    We can try to cut off the flow of the Ganges River first.
    Anyway, you are cutting off the water supply to Pakistan. If we cut off your water supply, you should have no objection.
    Then it’s settled like this.
    I want to see how many Indians have died of thirst because they have no water.

  279. @ivan

    And now the Muslims and Blacks are back invading the Iberian peninsula and the rest of Europa. So what good did it do? The Reconquista should be permanent.

  280. ivan says:

    They will all come to either one of the true faiths, i.e., Christianity or atheism. So don’t worry. Islam in particular has no legs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQCqhuGPHTQ.

  281. @K.V.Sadasivan

    Ouch!! Hindutva sepoy must have slipped on some human faeces on the foot-path and landed on his fat Brahmin arse. They REALLY hate that China’s economy is now five times greater than India. To compensate, they retreat a Bollywood dream-world of ancient A-bombs, flying saucers and other sepoy wunderwaffen. Take that you ‘Yellow Devils’! Pretty sad, really. A great civilization at its lowest point, ever.

  282. vox4non says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Sadly, truth is the first casualty of war. We’ll only know what actually happened probably years later, and a big if at that.

  283. @FTB

    Good point about the POW’s. Another great point about the abominations of the current DPP. It’s disgusting they hate the PRC that much that they are willing to airbrush Japanese atrocities and go along with the perverted DPP. But hey – look who is now the ruler of Syria – and his history is airbrushed too. And yeah most US vets who fought in Vietnam to “defend against communism” probably think it would be another dumb idea too. Hopefully there are many more like you.

    But no I’m not a resident of the PRC. But that is part of my blood (both sides) so yes it matters much.

  284. @littlereddot

    Common thing indeed on the internet. Especially here where thankfully so much freedom is given in comments. The loser in the argument is usually the one fixated on spelling and grammar. They also seem to be the ones with nothing better to do and don’t understand other people are typing comments while they are in the midst of actually doing things in life and don’t have time to waste to check that this is their job or school

    • Agree: littlereddot
  285. @Commentator Mike

    Indeed. In China’s case the J10C has thr smallest radar of its main jets. But then we also get into more complicated things in terms of the types of radars and the things they can detect. Of course being able to datalink with AWACS planes and satellites is a whole other issue. War is complicated stuff. But then again it always has been. Being able to calculate the trajectory of a catapult mattered many centuries ago as well.

  286. @Malla

    The Quran is a strange mix – the creation myth with the “two oceans” (bahr ain)
    is Sumerian, the bridge es-Ssirat to the afterlife is Zarathustra´s old Çinvat etc.
    just what you´d expect at a trade hub;
    Arianism alone (even if you count Manichaeism as such) is too simple.

  287. @ivan

    What a clown. Uighurs live better than most people in India – period – let alone Kashmir. Islamic militants are a different matter and no they are not tolerated in China. That’s why China has good relations with all Muslim countries. It’s only the militants jihadi Muslims that have problems with China. The jihadis you would claim to be against

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  288. @littlereddot

    I AM AN IDIOT. Pardon me for existing. With sloppy spelling, I will forever remain one.

    There MIGHT be another one or two but assuredly, even all together, we don’t matter a whit.

    My first watch aboard a destroyer in 1963 involved monitoring a radar repeater. I’ve learned little since then. But I ALREADY knew the importance of accuracy in communication.

    At least for us idiots.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  289. @showmethereal

    American girl about to marry Uyghur man.

    See how oppressed the Uyghurs are….LOL

    • Thanks: FTB, showmethereal
    • Replies: @FTB
  290. @Malla

    If that´s your thing, enjoy the German-Türkish version:

  291. @Xavier

    “भिखारी?”

    What the fuck is that black boy? Some kind of Portuguese cuss word? Now that a mulatto has been elected your master in the Vatican you’re feeling a bit uppity, ain’t you? Stay in your lane, you useless coolie!

  292. 迪路 says:
    @Vidi

    Well, if you read too many Chinese novels, you will also develop this highly aggressive trait.
    Because we actually generally have no access to guns and sharpened weapons, Chinese novels can satisfy the bloodthirsty desires that have been suppressed for a long time.
    So we are basically opposite in the online world and in reality.
    If you are interested, I can recommend some Chinese novels to you. I remember that some contents have essentially been translated.

  293. @N. Joseph Potts

    My first watch aboard a destroyer in 1963 involved monitoring a radar repeater. I’ve learned little since then. But I ALREADY knew the importance of accuracy in communication.

    During my first posting, in a command post calculating firing solutions for artillery barrages, I learned that a mil or two inaccuracy won’t make much difference the effectiveness of the strike, as targets are typically area targets the size of 100m by 100m. The blast radius of a single 155 artillery HE shell is about 50m anyway. And a single battery would fire typically multiples of 60 rounds of such shells at any one target.

    Rather than spending lots of time to get a super accurate firing solution and risk losing a valuable target, it is far more important to get the shots in the general direction and in a timely manner.

    No, obsessing about minutiae make us lose the big picture.

    Or in civilian speak: We can’t see the woods for the trees.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  294. Notsofast says:
    @showmethereal

    yeah, modi stabbed putin in the back, when he allowed the americans to pull him away from the su-57 deal, so what happened to the indian air force at the hands of the pakistanis, is fitting karma for his duplicitous actions.

    as to the export pl-15, i know the range is half but why would they want to dumb down the speed, that’s what makes it so lethal, fighters can’t out run it, after they’ve been lured in to try and get it range of their mica missiles. if china ever had to face these missiles themselves, the same would hold true.

    i think this was a demonstration to the world, of the superior nature of their export weapons, as well as a huge warning to modi not to fuck around or he will find out. between russia in ukraine and china backing pakistan, the inferior nature of western weapons systems is being revealed and it will harm the sales of zato block weapons, that cost twice as much and preform half as well.

    this is all apart of the overall larger economic war that is being waged. any country purchasing western weapons is at a great disadvantage, so this is way of drawing non-aligned nations to brics and further damaging western economies, that have nothing to sell but weapons. modi is hurting himself and india by trying to become americas waterboy, he should change his name to gunga din.

    if india can’t understand this they should be thrown out of brics for security reasons. you don’t need a country that can sabotage the block, to serve their masters. their active participation in the ongoing israel genocide, is reason enough to throw them out. i hope russia, keeps this in mind when sharing military technologies with them. i am bitterly disappointed by india and hope that long running russian and indians relations, don’t harm the unstoppable combination of russia and china, that is a marriage made in heaven.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  295. FTB says:
    @littlereddot

    The Uyghurs appear loyal to Beijing.



    Video Link

    • Thanks: littlereddot
  296. @One Nobody

    “What do you mean you dumb troll, what did they do with the science. They engineered aquaducts, sewer discharge systems, they built libraries to educate anyone including illiterate Europeans and the Church elders didn’t like that.”

    Did the Moors take their science and go on to invent and/or pioneer the development of, say, the internal combustion engine, railroad engines and railway systems, steamships, airplanes, computers, vaccines etc, etc, etc, etc, etc … …? No, they did not. In fact, those systems as well as nearly all of modern science and technology were largely developed by descendants of those “illiterate Europeans” that you mentioned. That is just a fact.

    Now, I don’t want to dump too much on the Moors of Spain in the 8th to the 15th century. They conquered Spain, were disliked by the Spanish natives and eventually kicked out of Spain (much like Britain and France were disliked and kicked out of many of their colonies). However, those Moors did possess what was then state of the art science and technology. In fact, some of their excellent engineers and scientists did build much state of the art infrastructure in Spain. And, although they did not invent aqueducts or sewage discharge systems (which had both been around for thousands of years), every infrastructure development project is different, requiring its own brilliance to succeed. And clearly, the Moors’ scientists and engineers supplied that brilliance.

    But, I am reminded of a comment that I read in a book on Modern Algebra. In that book it was mentioned that the tile patterns in Moorish architecture in Spain revealed that the Moors had, for that period of time, a remarkably sophisticated understanding of many aspects of rudimentary group theory. However, it should be noted that the rest of that Modern Algebra book was filled with discoveries made later by Western mathematicians.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  297. Corrupt says:
    @Eagle Eye

    “Perhaps understandable that the acronym AWACS (Advanced Warning and Control System”

    Also have seen it referenced as AIRBORNE vs. Advanced…

    • Agree: littlereddot
  298. Corrupt says:
    @Eagle Eye

    “Similarly, as commenter N. Joseph Potts noted, “electronically scanned arrange” is simply not the correct technical term of art for this concept. ”

    Electronically scanned array is close enough for anyone who’s marginally interested to understand.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  299. Wokechoke says:
    @One Nobody

    The main thing that Islam did was to break the continuum of the Roman state across what is now France Spain Britain and Germany allowing nationalities to emerge or re emerge from under a very nice looking but ultimately flawed Imperium.

    The Muslims did very little to else to help out Europeans, other than sever them from colonizing the Levant and Anatolia.

  300. Wokechoke says:
    @EddieSpaghetti

    Spain essentially inherited the world after chasing out the Jews and Arabs.

  301. Wokechoke says:
    @littlereddot

    Shoot first ask questions later. It’s how to win.

    • Thanks: Eagle Eye
    • Replies: @littlereddot
  302. Eagle Eye says:
    @littlereddot

    You are clearly anti-China, and are peeved with Hua Bin praising Chinese weapons.

    Hmmm …

    Someone who is “clearly anti-China” would surely rejoice at seeing Chinese achievements praised with such obvious ignorance and incompetence. Indeed, with enough time on his hands, such a someone might even jump in to brush off detailed, substantive criticism of Hua Bin’s presentation as “pedantry and nitpicking.”

    Suspicious minds might look at such desperate efforts at obfuscation and ask, quietly – cui bono?

    • Replies: @littlereddot
    , @迪路
  303. @Corrupt

    LOL, I missed that. My eyes aren’t what they used to be.

    You, however, are the one with the EAGLE EYES.

    • LOL: Corrupt
  304. @Wokechoke

    Like almost everything in this world, it is a matter of compromise. One has to weigh his priorities in the particular situation.

    If I had a static target of entrenched troops, I would take my time and get an accurate firing solution.

    However if I had a target consisting of a column of tanks, then timeliness becomes more important.

    Our pedantic friends however, obsess over little details because they can’t find nothing substantially wrong with Hua Bin’s arguments.

  305. @Eagle Eye

    Huh?

    Someone who is “clearly anti-China” would surely rejoice at seeing Chinese achievements praised with such obvious ignorance and incompetence.

    You have not even proven that it is ignorant. All you have proven is bad spelling, or lapse in spell checking etc. His meaning is clear.

    For you to conflate spelling or small errors with incompetence makes you disingenuous.

    Suspicious minds might look at such desperate efforts at obfuscation and ask, quietly – cui bono?

    Huh?

    Suspicious minds think that you are trying too hard to impress UR readers by using words and terms you clearly do not understand fully, or use inappropriately.

    It all comes across as rather stilted and affected.

    Since I know you do not understand the meaning of ‘stilted’ and ‘affectation’, I have taken the liberty to give you the google definitions. You are welcome.

    stilted
    /ˈstɪltɪd/
    adjective
    adjective: stilted

    (of a manner of talking or writing) stiff and self-conscious or unnatural.

    affectation
    /ˌafɛkˈteɪʃn/
    noun
    noun: affectation; plural noun: affectations

    behaviour, speech, or writing that is pretentious and designed to impress.

  306. 迪路 says:
    @Eagle Eye

    So what kind of person are you?

  307. @Notsofast

    Russian military equipment – even the jets – is 1980s-era garbage.
    The Russian military is basically about as competent as the military of a Sub-Saharan African country.

  308. @Notsofast

    I agree with most of what you said. As to why I don’t believe the PL 15E is as fast as the Chinese “home” version because just like with range – the top weapons makers don’t sell the most lethal or advanced versions. Russia and India working together is another example. Russia helped India develop Brahmos missiles. But Brahmos does not have the speed nor range of their Russian counterparts.

  309. @Christoph88

    The ’88’ gives the troll away-A Nazi still hurting over the loss in WWII.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  310. @Christoph88

    The Russian military is basically about as competent as the military of a Sub-Saharan African country.

    Given how the Little Helpers of God are tearing the Great Satan a new one,
    that makes the Ruskies pretty evil, n´est-ce pas?

  311. @mulga mumblebrain

    88 is all the fashion now with even black Ye and the niggaz going full 88.

  312. @CCKG

    actually most economists back then and now regarded China as richer and more developed than India in the seventies and eighties-the differences now have only widened to a chasm. Mulga is right, China has outstripped India since the forties which makes India look even more pathetic since India never endured major war damage unlike China.

  313. Malla says:
    @anon

    India occupied Tawang in 1951 and removed Tibetan administration from the area.

    China claimed they do not accept the Shimla accord, which means the border would have to be negotiated. China’s belligerent attitude towards posts in India when they militarily occupied Tibet just earlier and the fact that Tawang had a pass which was considered “the entry to India from that region” thus a national risk, unsure about China’s intention, India did occupy the place to “safeguard India for the time being”. However, the occupying Indian officials were told that very likely Tawang would have to be given back to China after the borders finally are settled from both sides.

    The true revisionist and expansionist power in Asia is India. Just ask Sikkim, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Bhutan

    India could have gobbled up Nepal or Sri Lanka with ease if it wanted. It never did.

    the Dalai Lama, who was arm-twisted.

    The Dalai Lama was arm twisted by a pro-China Nehru to return to China, but Indian public pressure (India being a democracy and not a fascist Marsit state) stopped him from doing it.

    And Yes, most Indians would tell you, if you take road interviews, China should not be in Tibet, Indians do not want a border with China (which they consider an Imperialist abnormal country).

  314. @ Malla

    Ah, the Taple Pass 😁
    Look, all the Chinese want is a highway and railroad to Calcutta;
    sure, it would kill Indian Railways, but what of it? It would be an infrastructure
    miracle in a region that … waaaait;
    you deliberately left it undeveloped because the population is Sinotibetan
    and therefore unreliable.
    – You cannot become a great power without having the rupee internationally
    accepted; for that, you have to produce and export more of what anyone would want;
    and to that end, this would be a nice first step –
    pardon my 2c.

  315. Malla says:
    @anon

    The British were able to draw whatever maps

    Definitely not, India’s rightful claims are much older.

    This is part of the explaination the Government of India has given to China in the past.

    “This is the traditional boundary for Ladakh and can be traced back to the 10th century. At one time· In the 10th century, Ladakh and Tibet were under one rule. Then occurred family partition and western Tibet was given to one member of the family and Ladakh to another. After that Ladakh became separate. In 1664 it accepted suzerainty of the then Indian empire, namely, Moghul Empire which had extended to the area of Kashmir. In 1681 Ladakh was invaded by Tibetans and Mongols but they were driven back by Ladakhis with the aid of the Moghul Governor of Kashmir. This resulted in the peace treaty of 1684. We have still got a copy of this treaty. This treaty repeats these boundaries which it says ware there when the three families first ruled and that they should be maintained. Chronicles of those days said that the boundary between Ladakh and Tibet was fixed at Demohok in that area. Other chronicles of the period also confirm this. In 1846 Cunningham visited this area and he found that the eastern boundary of Ladakh was defined by piles of stones.
    But between 1834 and 1841 Ladakh was conquered by the ruler of Jammu, Gulab Singh who was a feudatory or the north Indian kingdom of the Sikhs. In 1841 Gulab Singh’s general, Zorawar Singh, invaded western Tibet. He was, however, defeated by Tibetans aided by Chinese troops who advanced towards Leh. The Tibetan and Chinese troops were, however, pushed back by the Ladakhis and a peace treaty was signed in 1842. We have the text of this treaty and on behalf or the Chinese-Tibetan forces it was signed by an army officer who held Chinese rank.”

    …snip…

    “In 1846 the British suggested to the Tibetan and Chinese parties that this accepted boundary should be formally defined. The Chinese Imperial Commissioner at Hong Kong replied sayings ”Respecting the frontier, I beg to remark that the border of these territories has men sufficiently and distinctly fixed so that it will be best to adhere to this ancient arrangement and it will prove far more convenient to abstain from any additional measures for fixing them“. I might mention that until then, that is to say, in the late forties of the 18th century, Kashmir and Ladakh were not a part of the British Empire. It was only a little later that Kashmir accepted British suzerainty but it continued as a State.
    In 1899 the British made proposals to the Chinese again suggesting that this recognized boundary, that is to say, the northern boundary or Kashmir and Ladakh with Sinkiang, should be clearly defined. In making the proposal, the British clearly stated that this boundary of Ladakh or more correctly Kashmir, lay along the Kunlun mountains to a point east of 80 deg. The Chinese Government took no objection either to this proposel or to this definition of the border.
    From all this it would appear that till the 19th century there was no divergence of opinion on the alignment or the boundery of Ladakh in the parties concerned – namely the Ladhakis, Kashmiris, the Tibetans, Chinese, Indians or the British. ”
    …snip….
    “Although the Kashmir State acknowledged the suzerainty of the British, the British did not interfere in the internal affairs of the State and in fact there were strict rules about British people going to these areas. They could not normally go to these areas unless it was on invitation on the ruler of Kashmir. Actually many of these surveyors and travelers were invited by the ruler of Kashmir for surveying purposes. ”
    …snip….
    “In 1810, the then Viceroy of India Lord Mayo signed a commercial treaty with Kashmir for developing trade routes. The treaty says that with the consent of the Maharaja of Kashmir, officers will be appointed for surveying the trade routes from Lahaul to the territory of the rulers of Yarkand including Chang Chen Mo Valley. Therefore all these parts were considered to be in the Kashmir State and Lord Mayo had to take consent of the Kashmiri Government before sanding his men to these areas for surveying work.”

  316. Malla says:
    @ivan

    The Pakistanis allegedly stand for their Muslim brothers, but care less about the Uigyurs oppressed by China to a greater degree (by an order of magnitude in fact) than anything the Indians, even under Modi have done to the Kashmiris. Yet for them the crimes of their “all weather friend” counts for nothing

    That is the hypocricy. Pakistan knows that it needs China, they are already close to a failed state, they cannot say anything against their Chinese masters. Inspite of all the garbage posted here by Wumaos and China shcills, I have seen videos by Pakistani Muslims (in of the episodes of that Engineer Mullah), a Pakistani who had gone there had told the crowd how China was ill-treating the Uyghur and supressing Islam in Xinjiang. Even Zakir Nair had once spoken about the brutality there, information he got from his sources and I had posted these two videos in the past. But I think what Mehool (Mehta) once said, brutality (Muslims) respects other brutality (China).

    the Pakistanis did not even have time to dial up that option and which in fact would be the proximate cause for the American intervention to broker a ceasefire.

    I am actually surprised that the coward Modi had the courage to take such action against terrorism from Pakistan. But of course, the planning was done by the Indian armed froces. Modi’s popularity has now sky rocketed and he might very well win the next election too.

    • Replies: @ivan
  317. Malla says:
    @迪路

    Obviously, I’m not a CPC

    Who knows and who cares, you seem like a Commie.

    I think both Hindu nationalists and Gandhi are to some extent clowns.

    In my opinion both the Hindunats and Chinese Commies are both clowns. Both have ramarkable similarities to each other (and of course some key diferences). Both have bandit, thug, gutterman mentality.

    Hindunats are an nessesary evil, I dislike them but I know the nessesity to have them around. Because we have Islamists, who too are similar to Hindunats, are bandit clowns. And we have the bandits in China. To protect out nation from both these bandits we need our own banditi, hence the Hindu Nat is needed.

    In fact, I tend to think that this incident was fabricated by Hindu nationalists or terrorist organizations under the US government.

    This is impossible , because Modi had far more to loose than gain from the terrorist incident. Modi had declared Kashmir as safe for investment and tourism and settlement of people from the rest of the country. He had guaranteed the safety in Kashmir. But the terrorist incident had made him look like a fool infront of the entire nation.
    Secondly after Article 370 was abrogated, Kashmir became a Union Territory and does not have a normal State system. Had it been a state, such a issue would have been primarily a State Police security failure and the main blame would have fallen on the State Government. But Since Kashmir was made a Union Territory, it’s security now comes under the Central Government in New Delhi, the Home Ministry, Mr. Amit Shah, Modi’s right hand man. Now the blame for the security lapse has fallen directly on the Home Ministry because there is no State Government to put the blame on.
    This is put both Modi and his right hand man Shah in a very difficult position.
    So the chance of this being a false flag is less than zero.

    The Shanghai Cooperation Organization has the function of regional counter-terrorism agency, and India happens to be one of its member states.

    I think you do not have adequeate knowledge about the history of diplomacy of this conflict. THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA HAS ALWAYS STRICTLY REJECTED ANY THIRD PARTY INTERFERNCE in this issue and will ONLY ACCEPT BILATERAL NEGOCIATIONS ON KASHMIR. NO IFS AND BUTS. USA, UK, Russia have all come forward to mediate in Kashmir related issues, BUT INDIA HAS ALWAYS GIVEN A STRONG RESPONSE AND ALWAYS REJECTED FOREIGN THIRD PARTIES. This has been the case for nearly 60 years.

  318. Notsofast says:
    @Christoph88

    i guess that’s why they destroyed three iterations of zato’s ukranazi proxy army, as well as your zato mercenaries and every weapon system that all your zato countries could scrape together. you statement is so painfully ignorant, you should be embarrassed by your own stupidity.

  319. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    I guess the reason why this matter might have been done by modi’s people is based on the reaction of the modi government. Why did they cut off the water supply to Pakistan?
    When they did this, it actually meant going to war with Pakistan.
    A person with normal intelligence quotient couldn’t do such a thing.
    Terrorist attacks are terrorist attacks and wars are wars. The modi government has no need to escalate the situation.
    Sure, if you think the modi government is full of fools, then you can also pretend that I didn’t say that.

    Besides, I also pointed out that another possibility was a terrorist attack ordered by the US government. They have done many similar things in history, such as deliberately sinking their own ships to wage wars and the like.
    You should know that in fact many terrorists in Pakistan are actually under the control of the United States and Israel. The government of Pakistan cannot control the local areas well.
    When JDVance visited, they instructed the terrorists to act, and then JDVance told modi that the United States would support their actions. As long as they successfully undermine the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor by taking advantage of this incident, the US tariff policy against India can also be reduced as a result.
    But now we have witnessed the failure of the Indian air battle. The Indian government now seems to have realized that it has been exploited by the United States. Therefore, they have pointed the finger at the United States and begun to raise taxes on it.
    Do you think this guess is reasonable?

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Xavier
    , @Malla
  320. @Malla

    But the Chinese communists are more modern and secular than those traditional Hindu fanatics.

    I think the Muslims are a bigger threat to India than the Chinese. China may want to chip off some small border areas but Muslims are internal and external threats, and they want all of India, nay, the whole world must be Islam! Muslims will not rest until they cover the entire earth with Islam.

    • Replies: @Malla
  321. Wokechoke says:
    @Tarrasik

    Nothing like that at Constantinople but certainly in the Arab conquest of Jerusalem in the 600s

  322. Xavier says:
    @迪路

    You might be onto something actually. I saw a video of Victor Gao being interviewed on some Indian channel and was surprised by some of the things he said. He made it very clear to the Indian host that Pakistan was China’s ‘iron clad brother’ and that China would help Pakistan maintain its sovereignty. This shocked me because most official and not so official reps of the CCP usually mouth the usual platitudes about China’s commitment to peace, negotiations, etc…So to hear Victor almost openly admit that China might militarily intervene on behalf of Pakistan was totally unexpected. Now why would he say something like this? Possibly because the Chinese suspect this might be a false flag designed to justify a war on Pakistan, as well as weaponizing water. This would deal a major blow to China’s belt and road project which ultimately aims to secure a land route for oil imports, far away from the reach of the US navy. Without these new logistics, China would be toast as the US navy could choke China’s oil supply.

    • Replies: @迪路
  323. It looks like Pakistanis are most willing Chinese proxies against India. Any time India tries to get above its pay grade, the Chinese can activate the Pakistanis to give the Hindus some stick. Nice arrangement.

  324. 迪路 says:
    @Xavier

    Our oil supply actually mainly comes from Russia…
    Saudi Arabia is second and Malaysia is third.
    We have diversified oil channels. Seeking the way of Pakistan is troublesome and won’t solve the problem. Only those stupid think tanks of Trump would come up with such a foolish idea.
    As for Pakistan, it has always been our ally in a military sense.
    As long as an invasion occurs, we actually have the right to launch an attack on India.
    Besides, Indians actually don’t understand our thoughts. The territorial dispute was caused by the lines drawn by the British. India has always claimed to be a pioneer against British colonization, but it has attempted to seize the territory of our country and Pakistan with British ideas.
    It also attempts to divide our country’s territory through Hinduism.
    If they continue to do so, it will arouse our anger at the time when the Japanese tried to seize us.
    At that time, it will be legitimate for us to directly massacre Indians.
    The Chinese government still gave India quite a bit of leeway. At least they did not disclose the specific circumstances of the conflict in 2022 to the public at the very beginning.
    Even if more Indians die than us, as long as there are deaths here, the idea of killing all Indians will arise.
    At least that’s what most of us think of the Japanese.
    We hold grudges very much.

  325. Malla says:
    @迪路

    I guess the reason why this matter might have been done by modi’s people is based on the reaction of the modi government. Why did they cut off the water supply to Pakistan?
    When they did this, it actually meant going to war with Pakistan.

    Indians are tired of the constant terror attacks from Pakistan and there is a deep desire to punish the Pakistani Government which supports terrorist activities in India. They have a long history of denying attacks at the moment and then accepting it much later. Anyways, it is unlikely that India will stop the water permanently, it is impossible to stop it permanently as no system to divert that water has been built and to build something like this will take some years.

    Terrorist attacks are terrorist attacks and wars are wars.

    Yes, but if a neighbouring country has a long history of constant terror attacks, including in your economic capital city, Mumbai, war might be the only way to teach them a lesson. So that the Pakistani Government thinks ten times before going ahead with such evil misadventures again.
    Remember, the first strike of India only targeted terror camps inside Pakistan, and they were all hit with high accuracy. India did not target any military installation because India had no interest in escalating the war. India’s response was extremely mild and controlled.

    Besides, I also pointed out that another possibility was a terrorist attack ordered by the US government.

    Pakistan’s history of supporting terrorism outshines any other country on Earth including the USA.

    You should know that in fact many terrorists in Pakistan are actually under the control of the United States and Israel.

    The terrorists who conduct these actions against the nation of India are very well known to us. We have excellent espionage in Pakistan. We knew the buildings they operated from for years and decades. It is Indian agency RAW which found out the new tricks Islamic terrorist organizations like Lakshar E Tohiba have been using branches with Anglo like names, The Resistance Front.
    BTW a terror group called the “Resistance Front” has already claimed responsibility for the Phahalgam attack, and later they retracted it.
    Now it is possible that Israel is behind this as commentator One Nobody has written in a post and I partially agree with him as Israel wishes Pakistan denuclearised, which I agree is correct. However, from tract record, Pakistan looks more the fit.

    As long as an invasion occurs, we actually have the right to launch an attack on India.
    At that time, it will be legitimate for us to directly massacre Indians

    And Indians will not massacre the Chinese in return? Remember, China is a dying nation with low birth rate, one soldier dead means the end of genetic lines of many Chinese families, India on the other hand has numbers to throw. In a desperate situation, India’s reaction will be more like the USSR against the Axis during WW2 or Iran’s response against Iraqi forces during the Iran Iran war in the 80s. We have numbers to throw.
    And Indians being a vindicative people WILL TAKE revenge if not against present day Chinese or the descendants of the Chinese in the future. Think wisely before taking a foolish move. I know the people running Beijing have been clowns but sacrificing your own people, causing the death of your own people in support of ragtag terrorists is some of the heights of clownery.

    India has always claimed to be a pioneer against British colonization, but it has attempted to seize the territory of our country and Pakistan with British ideas.

    India is a heavy weigh in anti-colonialism, something even Orya Maqbool Jan, a very popular Pakistani civil servant himself admitted in his videos. It is very childish of the Chinese to use typical childish anti-colonial guilt inducement tricks on Indians, who are your grand-daddys in these arts. LMFAO. Get outta here. India is only defending and plans to reconquer, which belongs to our Motherland from foreign control.
    As far as so-called colonial boundaries, Afghanistan does not accept the colonial Durand Line boundary with Pakistan as legal and wants Pakistan to give/return, Pakistan’s entire Khyber Paktunwa province which has loads of Pathans/ Pashtuns living in it. China can show its sincerity in its opposition to colonial era boundaries, as a pioneer against evil colonial boundaries, by convincing their Pakistani serfs to agree to Afghanistani demands. After you do that, then we will think about taking your so called colonial boundary charge seriously or not.

    • Replies: @迪路
    , @kicktheroos
  326. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    Yeah it’s weird how some try to erase the Islamic Golden Age and how it contributed to modern scientific workings

    Momus Najmi a Pakistani and Anter Yasa, a Kurd from Kurdistan, can summarize the Golden Age for you.
    From 18:08 minutes
    “They built all these myths in the Golden Age they (Islamic World) invented so many things, whereas they didn’t, they had ideas, which did not actually work. There were no practicalities to their ideas”
    “They are so desperate to do that because they do not want to recognize the influence that the West have had”

  327. Malla says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Yes there are different but some of their thinking pattern are very similar in between the two and also some of their tactics.

  328. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    I agree that it might be a terrorist attack in Israel.
    Considering the equation that Israel = the father of the United States, I don’t think there is much difference.
    As for war.
    War is no longer a matter of comparing the number of people… Now it is mainly the battles between unmanned aircraft.
    American military strategists should be well aware of this.
    I say this… In fact, those armed scoring systems abroad have greatly underestimated China’s actual military strength.
    Our actual conventional military power has been equivalent to that of the United States…
    It’s just that because our focus is not as inclined towards deploying troops globally as that of the United States, and we haven’t engaged in any wars for over 40 years, this makes others always think that our military strength is very weak…
    Please have a little self-awareness… At least the US military knows our strength a little better than you do.
    They don’t even dare to open fire. How dare you think of starting a war with us… ?
    You are at least a Kshatriyri. How could you think that war is all about comparing population sizes… Please pay attention to the actual transformation of the achievements of the Russia-Ukraine war.
    Russia is still fighting against NATO without our support.
    If we truly supported Russia, the entire Ukraine would have fallen by now.
    This is not something to brag about. This is the actual situation.
    The amount of gunpowder used in the fireworks for entertainment during this festival is equal to the amount of gunpowder used in the two years of the Russia-Ukraine war.
    I suggest that you consider learning Chinese or Russian. The information given to you by English or Indian sources is basically a completely wrong judgment.
    The Method of spiritual Victory of Bharata.

    • Replies: @Malla
  329. Sparkon says:

    What makes the outcome so shocking is that the Rafale fighter, sold to India at $240 million each, is often lauded as the most advanced European fighter jet, didn’t manage to put up any fight in the confrontation with J-10C. The Mica and Meteor air-to-air missiles carried by Rafale were discovered intact/unfired in the wreckage.

    It’s hard to know how much of the story is true coming from either side about this aerial engagement, but the actual cost of the all-French-built Rafale is said to be $140 million, making it probably the 2nd most expensive Western fighter after the F-22’s reported $158 million unit cost.

    Psst: To get a $240 million dollar jet fighter, we’ll probably have to wait for the F-47, F-55 or the “Super” F-22 jet fighters Pres. Trump is talking about, along with a new lightweight gold alloy to plate them.

    If you haven’t heard, the F-55 is reportedly a twin-engine F-35, if you can imagine that…

    The AAMs themselves are about a million bucks or two a copy, give or take, so it quickly becomes a rather expensive affair when most of the missiles launched probably missed or fell short of their targets in what appears to have been a shoot and scoot operation, as neither side crossed over into the other’s territory.

    The J-10C operated by Pakistan is the jet fighter component of the integrated air defense system sold by China as an “out of the box” solution to Pakistan’s air defense requirements, so the reported $40 million unit cost of the J-10C is probably as much the result of creative accounting as it is a reflection of seemingly budget-priced high performance aircraft.

    Copilot AI ChatBot discussion about the India-Pakistan air engagement below:

    [MORE]

    Sparkon: In the recent India- Pakistan air engagement, do you know how many AAMs were launched by both sides, and the costs of those missiles?

    Copilot: The recent India-Pakistan aerial engagement was one of the largest in modern history, involving 125 fighter jets and lasting over an hour. While exact numbers on air-to-air missiles (AAMs) launched by both sides remain unclear, reports indicate that Pakistan employed Chinese-made PL-15 missiles, and wreckage of at least two of these missiles has been recovered. India, on the other hand, likely used MICA missiles on its Rafale jets, along with Astra, R-77, and R-73 missiles on other platforms.

    As for costs, the PL-15 missile is estimated to cost around $1 million per unit, while the MICA missile is priced at approximately $2 million per unit. India’s Astra missile, being an indigenous development, is expected to be more cost-effective, with estimates ranging between $1–1.5 million per unit.

    Sparkon: I noted that an engagement like that quickly becomes an expensive affair when most of the missiles launched by both sides probably missed, don’t you think?

    Copilot: Absolutely—it’s astonishing how quickly costs skyrocket in modern air combat. Each missile fired is essentially a million-dollar gamble, and given the extreme speeds, countermeasures, and maneuvering involved, even advanced missiles often miss their targets.

    Historically, air engagements have shown that beyond-visual-range missiles (BVR) tend to have lower-than-expected success rates, with factors like electronic warfare, terrain interference, and pilot tactics playing a huge role. When dozens of missiles are launched in a short window, the cost per minute of battle easily reaches tens of millions of dollars—all without guaranteeing a decisive outcome.

    At the end of the day, air combat isn’t just about destruction; it’s also a battle of economics, deterrence, and strategy. Do you think nations should focus more on cost-effective air defense measures rather than high-priced missile engagements?

  330. @Malla

    Nah it’s more the other way around. But yeah u can find someone who could make a point about anything. Doesn’t make it correct

  331. @Sparkon

    Those AI bots have no secret sauce. They simply scour the internet faster than a human can and piece together what they find

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  332. Owlistic says:

    @Malla

    Could you perhaps reconsider projecting your own personal cope all over the comments section?

    The pertinent point here is perhaps the last line of this article, that you are actually considered speed bump to China?

    In fact, it now seems apparent that a China reinforced Pakistan is probably too much for you, India, so-called civilizational state, to even handle.

    Oh, let’s not sleep on a China reinforced Bangladesh on the other flank as well.

    You can go through all the historical revisionism as much as you want, but right now it looks like Indian so-called strategists actually should be shopkeepers, bookkeepers, or at best economics professors, there seems to be no strategic culture or strategic bite, it’s all form over substance.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @Malla
  333. Sparkon says:
    @showmethereal

    Agreed, and I’ve written about that here before, but I wrote my comment, including the business about the $240 million dollar (actually $140 million) Rafale and the twin-jet F-35 (which everybody but Trump knows won’t work) before I had the exchange with Copilot, which merely verified most of what I already knew from other sources, except for the number and precise cost of the AAMs launched, which was the information I was looking for, but in any case neither Copilot nor I know who’s telling the truth, and I occasionally attach such discussions to my comments FWIW.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  334. @Owlistic

    But what of India’s great ‘victories’ over Goa and Sikkim?

    • Replies: @Owlistic
    , @littlereddot
  335. @Malla

    A couple of compradore swine making a few shekels from peddling Islamophobic hatred. Scum of the Earth.

  336. @Sparkon

    The F-35 is so undermotorized it is outflown by the MiG-21 (not a typo),
    let alone has the spare power and cooling capacity for all the present gadgets
    (do not even think about the future ones) so a twin-engine version is exactly
    what I expected from the very stable geniuses 😁

    • Agree: Notsofast
    • Replies: @Sparkon
  337. Malla says:
    @迪路

    You are at least a Kshatriyri.

    I am not Kshatriya, my fiancé is. I am Kayastha (check the difference in spelling). We were originally Kshatriyas (warriors) once, but centuries ago took to intellectual work, writing, recording in courts. Our work was keeping records of judgments, royal edicts, that kind of thing. That is the only work we were allowed to do.

    I agree that it might be a terrorist attack in Israel.

    It might be israhell. It might be the Murica. It might be Porkistan. All three have a history of dodgy behaviour. I am not saying India cannot do a false flag, maybe the Government has in the past, but this time a false flag fails Cuo Bono. The Government has more to lose than benefit.

    War is no longer a matter of comparing the number of people… Now it is mainly the battles between unmanned aircraft.

    Agree, but Ukraine has shown that people still matter. Also it is very difficult to occupy enemy territory nowadays. Soviets in Afghanistan, Americans in Afghanistan, Americans in Iraq, in spite of constant military victory, occupation becomes tedious. There are loads of weapons available to rebel groups that can cause a lot of problems to militaries. Israel has bombed Gaza to smithereens, nothing bigger than a rat should be able to survive that place right now, but Hamas is skillfully killing IDF soldiers right now as we speak.

    How dare you think of starting a war with us… ?

    You are the idiots talking about starting a war with us for a bunch of retarded terrorists!!! If China invades our territory (well China occupies some Indian territory already), we have no option to fight back. If both China and USA come together in an alliance and invade our territory, we still have to fight to protect it.

    Our actual conventional military power has been equivalent to that of the United States…

    So what? The USA was much more powerful than China and North Korea during the Korean war, Chinese and N.K still fought back.

    One more thing I might add, it is not in China’s interest to get involved in the snake pit that is the Indian Subcontinent, in spite of the fact that China has a border with this place thanks to Tibet. This place is very different from East Asia, very alien for you, you guys do not belong here. That is why you have not realized yet, what a headache this place is. Might get stuck in a never ending quagmire. I speak in China’s interest. China’s issue is Taiwan, on the other side, on the East, why get involved in the West with India with a large standing army? Maybe that is Murica’s plan, get the Chinese riled up over failed gutter state Pakistan and waste themselves on their West while we build strength in the Pacific. Do not be fool, Taiwan is far far more valuable than the retards living in Pakistan will ever be.

    • Replies: @迪路
  338. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    Could you perhaps reconsider projecting your own personal cope all over the comments section?

    Could you perhaps not project your mental issues on me!

    In fact, it now seems apparent that a China reinforced Pakistan is probably too much for you, India, so-called civilizational state, to even handle.

    By that logic, nobody would have ever fought the USA or the USSR post WW2 or the British Empire back in the day.

    You can go through all the historical revisionism as much as you want

    When historical facts decimate mainstream propaganda, it can be painful for some. I understand.

    there seems to be no strategic culture or strategic bite, it’s all form over substance.

    That could be true. Let’s hope things are better than we assume.

    • Replies: @Owlistic
  339. Owlistic says:
    @Malla

    Look, can the Indian side for once please just prioritize substance over form, not the other way around.

    India planned for two weeks, a so-called surprise attack on Pakistan, within let’s say the first half an hour to one hour they had already lost aircraft. In fact, they had lost their very best most prized aircraft.

    the 2019 episode was a clear warning, so India had plenty of time to set the record straight in 2025.

    If this was India’s performance against a much smaller, poor, more Islamic Pakistan then what on the earth will you be able to achieve against China?

    utterly weird bipolar behavior to insist on dehyphenation, but then when it comes down to matching results and capability there is suddenly a more equal hyphenation, what is this nonsense? We need to see a clear decisive edge, at this stage, not bragging about flipping GDP, accountant, or real strategist?

    The aircraft used by Pakistan, were probably at very best second, most likely third tier Chinese capabilities

    Just be plain and direct, what on earth is going on with India and its strategic direction and real capability when it matters?

    • Replies: @Malla
  340. Owlistic says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Jeez, what about Pakistan 2025? Oh wait, let’s trawl through history, try and undermine… let’s say Andalusia and the achievements of Islamic Spain, to try and explain why India is losing European aircraft….

    It seems to me, that the very idea of an Indian Hindu civilizational state being flaunted and projected, is in fact a cruelty on the people of India.

    What’s wrong with just keeping your head down for 30 to 50 years, not unlike China, and actually then having substance over form. This is strategic folly, steeped in complete lack of psychological strength and a lack of confidence.

    It is a shame, that such a large block of humanity, many of a gentle and humble disposition, has been swayed in this delusion echo chamber, and therefore I am not trying to indulge in schadenfreude, believe it or not.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @Malla
  341. @mulga mumblebrain

    Don’t forget:

    Hyderabad, annexed 1948
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Hyderabad

    Junagadh, annexed 1948
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Junagadh

    Dadra and Nagar Haveli, annexed 1954
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Dadra_and_Nagar_Haveli

    Daman and Diu, annexed 1961
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadra_and_Nagar_Haveli_and_Daman_and_Diu

    And we wonder why the Western press never brings these up and keeps harping on Tibet and Xinjiang instead.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  342. 迪路 says:
    @Malla

    But… The Korean War was the Korean War… It was we who drew with the UN forces with the worst weapons at that time. Doesn’t this prove even more that the overall combat effectiveness of the East Asian forces is better?
    I think the Japanese will also agree with me on this point.
    The people in the three East Asian countries are basically all excellent soldiers.
    When I used to fight with others and shed a lot of blood, the first thing that came to my mind was to have a more enjoyable fight
    As for your opinion that we should pay more attention to Taiwan, come on. The current situation in Taiwan is that they are surrounded on all sides. We can crush them whenever we want.
    I have introduced the history of my family to you. Even though our ancestors were sworn enemies of the Qing Dynasty, they still recognized the rule of the Qing Dynasty in the early and middle periods.
    Not a single piece of Chinese territory can be divided. For those that were once seized, we will surely find ways to retrieve them.
    Even an Indian like you always holds unrealistic fantasies, which is a very wrong idea.

  343. Owlistic says:
    @Malla

    @Malla

    By the way, this perception of Indian freedom fighters is romanticized nonsense you peddle

    the Indian elites had long since compromised and coalesced with the British elites. The quarrel was only for relative positions

    That’s it, not a true struggle for independence of mind, and thinking and language.

    And before you throw at me your revisionist history, let’s just look at today, India has unambiguously said it is happy with the status quo, therefore the dollar system and everything that means financially and technologically,

    BRICS -India may as well just leave the organization

    Please just tell me, where is this revolutionary spirit gone?

    It never existed, for all your obsession with blood and genes, is it not showing right at this moment in real time?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @Malla
  344. @Sparkon

    Ok. I understand the context now. Makes sense

  345. @littlereddot

    Last I checked Assam and Nagaland and Manipur didn’t want to be part of India either and have as much bloodshed as Kashmir. Nope – rarely a peep about it in the press. Yet they have nerve to open their mouths about Tibet..

    • Agree: littlereddot
  346. Wokechoke says:
    @anon

    Better to serve Massa than rule in Bongo-BongoLand.

  347. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    I think you do not have adequeate knowledge about the history of diplomacy of this conflict. THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA HAS ALWAYS STRICTLY REJECTED ANY THIRD PARTY INTERFERNCE in this issue and will ONLY ACCEPT BILATERAL NEGOCIATIONS ON KASHMIR. NO IFS AND BUTS. USA, UK, Russia have all come forward to mediate in Kashmir related issues, BUT INDIA HAS ALWAYS GIVEN A STRONG RESPONSE AND ALWAYS REJECTED FOREIGN THIRD PARTIES. This has been the case for nearly 60 years.

    I think you do not have adequate knowledge about the history of diplomacy of this conflict. THE GOVERNMENT OF CHINA HAS ALWAYS STRICTLY REJECTED ANY THIRD PARTY INTERFERENCE in this issue and will ONLY ACCEPT BILATERAL NEGOTIATIONS ON TIBET WITH THE DALAI LAMA. NO IFS AND BUTS. USA, UK, India have all come forward to interfere in Tibetan related issues, BUT CHINA HAS ALWAYS GIVEN A STRONG RESPONSE AND ALWAYS REJECTED FOREIGN THIRD PARTIES. This has been the case for nearly 60 years.

    There I fixed it for you. That sums up why the India-China conflict over Tibet is what has kept the border issues between India and China in the Himalayas from getting resolved since 1962.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Thanks: bike-anarkist
    • Replies: @Malla
  348. @Owlistic

    No, no-the sepoys MUST stay in BRICS to sabotage it for their White and Judeofascist masters. India has the most tragically incompetent, treacherous, self-deluding regime on Earth.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Owlistic
  349. @Owlistic

    China wiped the slate clean, through one hundred and fifty years of invasion, Jap genocide, civil wars and Western imperialism, and then had the good fortune to see a dedicated movement led by numerous geniuses, the CPC, led by that world historical figure, Mao, take over. The rest was almost inevitable.
    India was ‘granted’ independence by Perfidious Albion, then was misruled by gangs of compradores who wanted nothing more than to be seen as ‘honorary White Men’. The hideous caste albatross still hangs around its neck, and nation building is thwarted by ‘democracy’ that sets region against region, caste against caste and tribe against tribe.
    Then, the bitter final debacle, the rise of Hindutva fascism, the full embrace of the West and the Jewintern, the vicious Islamophobia, and the refusal to co-operate with China, out of envy and spite. India is terminal-climate destabilisation will soon render it uninhabitable, for a start.

  350. ivan says:
    @Malla

    Modi’s popularity has now sky rocketed and he might very well win the next election too.

    There’s the rub; Uri 2016, Pulwana 2019 and now Pahalgam 2025. That is all Modi has to do, wait for another terrorist outrage from Pakistan and waltz into the office again. Perhaps that is why Dooonald Trump tries to deflate him everytime by claiming that he brokered the ceasefire. The Donald knows.

    I doubt if there is an electorate that mixes jingoism with hypocrisy and inferiority-complexes in equal measure as the Indian one. There is to my mind no difference between the electorates in Pakistan, India and now BanglaDesh. We are all one people after all! LOL!

  351. antibeast says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    India has the most tragically incompetent, treacherous, self-deluding regime on Earth.

    The Philippines has the most tragically incompetent, treacherous, self-deluding regime on Earth.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  352. @mulga mumblebrain

    The similarity between the India – Pakistan and the Ukraine – Russia conflict is that in both cases you have one people fighting each other over where the border should be when there should be no border. India and Pakistan are divided by religion, Russia and Ukraine not so much by religion, not even so much by language, yet these divisions have been artificially exacerbated in recent years. These conflicted peoples have more in common with each other than not. In both cases the smaller country is used as a proxy against the bigger one, Ukraine as West’s proxy and Pakistan as China’s.

    • Replies: @Tang
  353. Corrupt says:
    @Christoph88

    That’s what the Germans thought about 85 years ago.

  354. Tang says:
    @Commentator Mike

    India was and really is a continent like Europe. And just like Europe it had many kingdoms/countries within it. It was the British who created a unified state even more so than the Mughals. The issue is that the border is incorrect. All of Punjab and Kashmir should have gone to Pakistan. And all of Bengal to East Pakistan(Bangladesh).

    • Replies: @Owlistic
    , @Malla
  355. Owlistic says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Treachery to me implies choice.

    I think that the reality is, that India is actually a new nation, therefore has not built up the muscle memory and resolve on how to navigate and prosper in a tough neighborhood. The last 20 years, do not count when you compare to say Japan or China,

    The West has really been quite blatant in telling India that you are part of a 50 to 100 year plan against the China, that inherently implies that there will be a period of building and then redirecting India for its purpose. As a nation, even some of their best minds have drunk the Kool-Aid completely and think that their rise, inherent abilities and economic wealth is inevitable and unstoppable and independent

    The compounding factor is that they seem insistent on considering themselves as an ancient civilization, therefore somehow there is imbued or embedded a type of ancient wisdom. This is usually said in very good English.

    If the modi avatar falls, along with it will the whole sense of a Hindu civilization force in this world will also fall

    So really what we see is decision paralysis and this will be observed across many forums,

    are you in BRICS or not?

    Are you with USA or not?

    Are you part of Asian integration or not?

    Are you for the dollar, or are you against the dollar?

    Will you join the Western technological order, or the Chinese lead one?

    It’s really a very tough predicament.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  356. Owlistic says:
    @Tang

    I definitely agree that Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India really are something like Europe where the closest thing to a state will actually be the respective and dominant ethnic identities

    So, you have Punjabi, pashtoon, Gujarati,Sindhi, Tamil, and so on and so on

    religion is a complicating factor but only where the Brits drew the borders, that would be Kashmir, Punjab and Bengal

    Subsequent events since the creation of each nation has ensured that the artificial dichotomy of India versus Pakistan continues to deepen and worsen.

    It seems like it was quite nicely planned, in that if there is communism versus capitalism, or the Western world order versus the Chinese world order, both Nations will naturally be on opposite sides and ultimately play an important role for the main actors.

    We saw Pakistan being a key cog to take on communism, and now the baton has been handed over to India to be a key cog against China.

    It is to my mind, tragically predictable in fact it seems to be as good as encoded

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @Malla
  357. Owlistic says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Be that as it may, your prognosis for India, is somewhat frightening because they are still 1.5 billion people, who truly believe in the mythology that modi has created. It’s an interesting study in mass propaganda, but once it falls apart, what are we left with?

    1.5 billion people, who have disappointed and shattered spiritual, physical aspirations of a strident, dominant and proud India will lash out or react in what way exactly?

    There is of course automation, AI and a rapidly decreasing need for human capital, but that is juxtaposed against an aspirational and young Indian population who think the Hindu first identity will propel them to success and wealth.

    They can’t all come to the west can they?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  358. Sparkon says:
    @nokangaroos

    The F-35 is so undermotorized [sic] it is outflown by the MiG-21 (not a typo)

    If you think so, but “undermotorized” is non-standard terminology and something of a linguistic doozy.

    Although the words “engine” and “motor” are commonly mixed-up or used interchangeably, strictly speaking, motors and engines are really two different things. For that reason, we say that electric vehicles, EVs, have electric motors while standard cars have internal combustion engines, or ICE. The long and short of it is engines run on fuel while motors are usually powered by electricity, or by other means such as hydraulics.

    But in fact there was a program to upgrade or replace the F-35’s engines to increase thrust, range, and the airplane’s top speed, but the program was cancelled as being too complicated and too expensive.

    And of course, Pres. Trump was talking through his hat in his recent comments in Doha, Qatar about adding an engine to the F-35, giving the mythical plane the designation F-55.

    In the first place, as almost everyone surely knows, there is no room in the F-35’s airframe for a second engine. The Pratt & Whitney F135 engine weighs 3,750 lbs. and has close to a 4′ diameter, so adding a second engine would require a complete redesign of the airplane’s fuselage to accommodate the 2nd engine as well as to support increases in the jet’s weight, thrust and fuel consumption to the point where a complete redesign of the F-35’s airframe would be required, making it essentially an entirely new airplane. The resulting twin jet fighter would also be unwanted competition for the all-new Boeing F-47 under development as the USAF’s planned replacement for the F-22, which is a high-maintenance airplane, worse even than the F-35 itself.

    Although it was blocked by Congress (NDAA), the U.S. Air Force wanted to retire the oldest Block 20 F-22s that are described as being a “drag on the fleet”when speaking of its readiness, which has dropped to 40% in the recent past. That means just 40% of F-22s are operational and ready to fly at any given time. The picture is not much brighter with the F-35, where fleet readiness dropped from 69% in 2021 to just 51.5% in 2024!

    In addition to about 600+ F-35s, and 150-some operational F-22s, the United States also fields about 370 F-15s, 725 F-16s, and over 500 FA-18s flown by the USN and the USMC.

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  359. raga10 says:
    @Shitposter_in Chief

    Were any Indian aircraft shot down? Maybe, but let’s face it, they’re flown by Indians, so that’s by far the limiting factor, not the aircraft.

    Maybe so, but their opposition were Pakistani and that’s also a limiting factor. I’d say levels of skills between these two are about even.
    But in general I agree with what you say. Pakistani claims should not be taken seriously. There is some evidence that one Rafale was indeed shot down but Pakistani claim they suffered no losses at all is laughable.
    As usual, both sides make outrageous claims and the truth is likely to be somewhere in between.

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    , @showmethereal
  360. @Sparkon

    In a bout of realism, Boeing is ramping up production of F-15EX 😁

  361. Xavier says:
    @raga10

    but Pakistani claim they suffered no losses at all is laughable.

    Not really. Neither side crossed into each other’s airspace, so the Indian jets were struck while in Indian airspace by Chinese missiles that possess a longer range than the Rafale. The Indians literally didn’t know what hit them.
    This wasn’t a dogfight, as both sides weren’t in visual range. The Pakistanis basically sniped the Indian jets.

    • Replies: @raga10
  362. raga10 says:
    @Xavier

    This wasn’t a dogfight, as both sides weren’t in visual range.

    India claims to destroy several Pakistani jets as well, maybe not in air-to-air combat but through their ground defenses and attacks on Pakistani bases. This includes at least one F-16 and two JF-17 as well as allegedly an AWACS platform and that one would hurt, they are very expensive!

    Is any of it true? I have no idea, but then neither does anyone else here.

  363. @raga10

    Is any of it true? I have no idea, but then neither does anyone else here.

    You should try an experiment.

    1.Write down India’s claims now. Put a date on in.
    2. Six mths to a year later, review their claims.

    You will observe that their claims are very dubious.

    There have been many conflicts in the past and India’s claims have proven to be unreliable. They make claims hastily and with lots of allegations. Time proves much of it to be wrong.

    Don’t take my word for it. Observe if for yourself.

  364. @raga10

    ‘India claims…’-pardon my mirth.

    • Replies: @Owlistic
  365. @Owlistic

    When the ‘wet-bulb’ temperature, a measure of temperature plus humidity, hits 35 degrees C, you DIE, because you cannot cool through perspiration because the atmosphere is too humid. In fact, recent research reduced that to 32 degrees and 27 for those who labour, like farmers.And such temperatures are very near in the sub-continent.
    You many survive if you find air-con, but for 1.5 billion? And air-con is vulnerable to failures of electricity supply. One can imagine many horrific scenarios, and the wet-bulb can be dangerously high even at might.

  366. Owlistic says:
    @raga10

    The cope is deep with this one, why don’t you know? When will you ever know?

    Pakistani pilot success has a far deeper history than the recent skirmishes,

    The paf are claiming six, at minimum it will be three to six, with evidence and details.

    Suddenly, the Indian side is very eager to hyphenate itself with Pakistan…… We’re about the same we both BS huh. Lame

    By the way, the Pakistani air battle success should absolutely be caveated with the fact that their opposition were Indian pilots, and therefore would not be optimally or maximally extracting the best usage of the plane.

    Furthermore, this was more a validation of Chinese doctrine, in that sense the Pakistans strategic direction and use of its more limited resources has shown to have some actual bite, some actual use and actual penetration.

    Here again it’s the same theme, substance over form, or form over substance.

    • Replies: @raga10
  367. Owlistic says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    After insisting on the last two decades, of how this equal equal hyphenation of India and Pakistan was scandalous, we are literally back 50 years and India is insisting on hyphenating itself with Pakistan.

    Psychological aspect, is well understood in the west.

    Obama literally said that the best way to get to the Indians is via Pakistan. Now, just imagine that, a three four thousand year old civilization, much much bigger, much much more resourceful …..

  368. This is by far the worse piece of media I ever encountered about this incident. The author is not just one sided, but he is peddling outright lies. Where to begin?

    The J-10C is not by any stretch of the definition “second tier” in the PLAAF. It is a recent upgrade of the J-10, with vastly increased capabilities over the base version. The J-20 he mentions is a 5th gen aircraft, but it’s intended for a somewhat limited mission range, that doesn’t much overlap with the J-10’s. He’s comparing aircraft of different roles. The J-31 — not controversial to call it a copy of the F-35 — is not in service yet. For most of the missions it does, the J-10C is the most advanced aircraft the PLAAF currently has at its disposal.

    The fly-of cost of a Rafale is nowhere near the outrageous amount of $240 million, and the fact that the author expects us to believe this makes me doubt his media literacy. I suspect the figure was arrived at by dividing the overall cost of the deal by the number of airframes purchased. The deal usually includes maintenance, pilot and personnel training, and most importantly, lots and lots of ammunition. The estimated cost of a Rafale airframe is estimated at around $80-100 million. The airframe cost is probably what’s cited for the J-10, and even if this were the case, it’s incredibly low. Without wasting my time on research to counter this piece of trash article, I bet Pakistan would have bought J-10 basic (A?) at $40 mil a pop, then China upgraded them to Cs alongside their own fleet and the price of the upgrade was ignored by author. Just a guess.

    >it can lock onto the Rafale’s RBE-2 gallium arsenide radar signature 60-100 km before the Rafale even detects it.

    This is probably true, but an irrelevant piece of information information. I am by no means an expert on AESA technology, but as a rule, a radar’s reciever can pick up a signal directed towards it by another radar from greater distances than it can recieve its own signal with any degree of workable strength. Your own waves need to be transmitted and then bounce off the target, which is effectively doubling the distancetraveled. Of course, the enemy radar must be turned on, which shouldn’t be the case with a fighter if an AWACS is present.

    Afaik, the Indians didn’t acknowledge the presence of an AWACS on their side, which lends credence to the assumption that they weren’t seriously expecting an aerial engagement. Also leads one to assume that at least on aircraft in the Rafale element had its radar turned on a type of scan/early warning mode (not all that familiar with the RBE-2, sorry) We know that Indians gave foreknowledge to the Pakistanis that they were planning on conducting airstrikes against terrorist bases on their territory.

    Mil annalists I follow seem to agree that an ambush scenario most likely took place, either when the IAF aircraft were approaching their targets, or, more likely returning to base under their air sweep umbrellas.

    It is almost a certainty that Indian pilots were under RoE not to shoot unless fired upon. It’s a high likelihood that the Rafale elements were warned of being scanned by their SPECTRA self-defense suites, but for the moment we are left to wonder of whether or not Indian pilots were made aware when enemy AESA began tracking them or when PL-15s turned on their own AESA’s in the terminal phase. Most likely, RBE-2s would have detected salvos of PL-15s coming towards them if turned on.

    It is my own suspicion that Rafale pilots were made aware of the thread at some point early enough to dodge, but at least one of them succumbed to an overwhelming number of missiles. Pakistani air officials declared that they were specifically targeting the Rafales, with downing the French-made aircraft considered their top priority. It is not off to speculate that the number of PL-15s launched as a first shot were in the range of dozens. If the Indian pilots would have presented cooperative targets, then it would have been a massacre.

    This leads me to an aside about effective missile ranges. The max range is usually assessed against a target that keeps to its speed and flight path (a cooperative target), eschewing the need for the missile to do much maneuvering. Since missiles are powered for only a small portion of their flight, they are very susceptible to bleeding energy/speed if forced to do even moderately tight turns. The bigger and heavier the missile, the worse it gets — and the PL-15 is very big for its class. Fighter pilots generally fire far closer than the max range for a good chance of a kill, somewhere like 20-30 km with a 100+ km rated AMRAAM C5. The PL-15 has a dual pulse (double?) rocket motor so it’s probably greater than that. What makes the Meteor so great is that its air breathing engine allows it a “sure kill zone” of around 60km, which I doubt a PL-15 can match.

    I’m honestly more puzzled of how the IAF failed to down any of the Paki jets than of their own losses. To go against the grain, only 3 confirmed losses is actually pretty good, considering the ambush scenario. I seriously doubt the toll is higher, some kind of proof to match PAF claims should have surfaced by now.

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  369. raga10 says:
    @Owlistic

    why don’t you know? When will you ever know?

    I don’t know because I wasn’t there (and neither were you) and I don’t have access to classified information (and neither do you). All we have is propaganda claims and counterclaims and I know better than to believe them.

    The paf are claiming six, at minimum it will be three to six, with evidence and details.

    ‘three to six’ is a pretty wide range, in fact some advanced math shows that ‘six’ is twice the size of ‘three’. I’m looking forward to that evidence and details.

    Pakistani air battle success should absolutely be caveated with the fact that their opposition were Indian pilots, and therefore would not be optimally or maximally extracting the best usage of the plane.

    Yes, but I repeat, I don’t think Pakistanis are any better than Indians. Sure, Pakistanis are Muslim but guess what – there are still something like 200 million of Muslims in India. Indians and Pakistanis are the same people, really.

    • Replies: @Owlistic
  370. @Owlistic

    Very astute comment. Indeed the hope was Pakistan – using militant Islam – would help the west destroy communism. Did you see Trump in Syria? Same goal with them (and hopefully to fight Iran also). But yeah Pakistan is an iron brother of “communist” China – so their plan didn’t work well. Even the Pakistani official that came out in this latest issue over Kashmir noted Pakistan has received nothing but suffering by helping the U.S. use militants to achieve U.S. agendas. Seems Pakistan is fully done.
    But do you have any insight into how things soured between them and Afghanistan?

    • Replies: @Owlistic
  371. @raga10

    What are you talking about? Pakistan said 5 soldiers died in the Indian attack on one of their bases

  372. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    Look, can the Indian side for once please just prioritize substance over form

    This whole propaganda of substance over form though has some truth is blown out of proportion. India has far more form than you think.

    India planned for two weeks, a so-called surprise attack on Pakistan, within let’s say the first half an hour to one hour they had already lost aircraft.

    Yes, but overall India did far more damage than what it got. India could hit deep inside Pakistan many times, including it’s nuclear command, while Pakistan penetration into India was very minimal. India has controlled itself enormously, the first strike was firmly against terrorist training sites and HQs, not any Pakistani military site. When Pakistan acted, India retaliated and retaliated well.

    If this was India’s performance against a much smaller, poor, more Islamic Pakistan

    Pakistan is much smaller and poorer, but the Pakistani state is second to none in maintaining it’s military. Pakistan is a military which has a state, whose resources it can suck to maintain itself. India on the other hand is a far more responsible system with a working democracy, in which the military never interferes in military affairs.

    We need to see a clear decisive edge

    What are you blaberring about?

    The aircraft used by Pakistan, were probably at very best second, most likely third tier Chinese capabilities

    Everybody seemed fixated on the downed Indian aircraft. India has shown that Pakistan’s Chinese made air defenses are full of hot air, unlike India’s which remain solid. Not only does India have batteries of S-400 which worked very well, but nobody seems to talk about the India’s own Akash (translation: Sky) SAM system, which worked extremely well. Pakistan sent loads of their crappy Turkish drones and our air defence systems did a very good job of twarting it. We know what Pakistan was trying to do, it was trying to map our air defence system.
    Anyways, the war has stopped too prematurely and was not an all out escalation to come to deep conclusions.

    • Replies: @Owlistic
    , @showmethereal
  373. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    We saw Pakistan being a key cog to take on communism, and now the baton has been handed over to India to be a key cog against China.

    Nobody passed any baton to us. We do not need any baton. India considers China as a national threat and an untrustworthy nation, more so than it considers the USA. China also occupies Indian territory. India’s anti-China policy in keeping with is national defense does not depend on the USA. It is extremely stupid to equate Pakistan, which was a willing lackey of the Americans, to India, which is a strategic partner. Americans themselves agree among themselves, that India is a different matter, that India takes its sovereignty very seriously.
    If the USA and China become good allies, like they once were against the USSR, it will not make any dent in India’s China policy.

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  374. Malla says:
    @Tang

    ndia was and really is a continent like Europe. And just like Europe it had many kingdoms/countries within it. It was the British who created a unified state even more so than the Mughals.

    Chinese dreaming of breaking India apart to get rid of a stubborn threat. . Beware, it may happen so that in this unwise, adventure, China itself might fall apart.

    All of Punjab and Kashmir should have gone to Pakistan. And all of Bengal to East Pakistan(Bangladesh).

    This is why I say, the Chinese are hardcore retards and EXTREMELY CHILDISH. The Western run World is a disaster in many ways, but a Chinese run world will be a super disaster.
    Why would the Hindus and Sikhs of Eastern Punjab and Western Bengal want to live among blood-thirsty unhinged Muzzies? Get your head out of your ass.

  375. @Daniel Ross

    First you say this

    This is by far the worse piece of media I ever encountered about this incident. The author is not just one sided, but he is peddling outright lies.

    Then you say this

    The J-31 — not controversial to call it a copy of the F-35

    It is you who are twisting everything out of shape.

    The J31 has two engines, and the F35 only one. Adding another engine to a fighter would alter its entire flight characteristics and require major if not complete redesign.

    For you to call it a copy of a F35 is simply disingenous if not plain stupid.

    I could not be bothered to read more.

    Please do not waste your time by replying to me.

    You have earned yourself “troll” status.

  376. Owlistic says:
    @raga10

    “Yes, but I repeat, I don’t think Pakistanis are any better than Indians. ”

    Ok……. forget everything else you said, that’s all a smokescreen.

    this is the instructive point for anyone reading to take away

    We are at form over substance, again.

    Who even brings this into what is really a military and technical discussion?

    Whatever else is going on, please let no one else in the world think that Pakistan in some way might be better at India at something, in some way.

    For shame, for shame

    • Replies: @raga10
  377. Owlistic says:
    @Daniel Ross

    Hoping for someone to bite?

    Simple answer here, the planes used were probably a second or third tier level of technology available from china

    The military thinking of the Indians, the absence of any effective doctrine, plus Indian operational clumsiness has made the French technology look worse than it is. Nonetheless you cannot possibly say the Chinese technology was anywhere near the top shelf

    Finally, the attack was initiated by India, it was meant to be a surprise attack post the Kashmir incident, so even with the element of surprise and pre-planning, India ended up pretty bad.

    I will imagine, that is the hardest aspect to digest, it’s not just the pilots, it’s the people thinking and planning behind India’s entire military.

    The Indian military press briefing has already alluded to the fact that losses are a part of military action. So invariably this will all come out even more openly in time

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/indian-rafale-shot-down-by-pakistan-french-intelligence-source-tells-cnn/ar-AA1EmAgL?apiversion=v2&noservercache=1&domshim=1&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1&batchservertelemetry=1&noservertelemetry=1

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  378. Owlistic says:
    @showmethereal

    The Afghan people, have not seen stability and civilization for 50 plus years in their lands, it is a tragedy.

    However, what we are left with is a menacing prospect of a people who are very good at banditry and mercenary behavior, and in fact it’s the only skill set they seem to have to offer, I don’t mean to be rude

    If you want to go further back, those very canny British strategists were very interested in the pashtoon people, and they were the most hardy and potent force that actually fought the British most effectively…

    Therefore, with this warrior mythos rooted in their psyche, they also have a powerful theme of ethno nationalism which India, and even Israel may seek to exploit to create internal problems

    The point on Pakistan and India always being on opposing teams, is not ideological per se, they are essentially given roles, if there is some ideological overlap then fine, Pakistan and the USA were able to stitch up some diluted form of religious solidarity of god, versus the godless communists,but it was obviously only surface deep.

    China and Pakistan, that was always really quite strong from Nixon’s famous visit to China… where he struck the grand bargain to create distance between Russia and China

    Therefore, Pakistan has a footnote in China’s own mythos of becoming a strong country with brokering that meeting, just a footnote.

    Subsequently, China continued to play a key role in facilitating Pakistan’s nuclear program, missile tech and the relationship has broadened much much more. Therefore, the actual genesis for the next grand dichotomy was seeded …..maybe from that visit of the nixon to China, right in the middle of the confrontation with Soviet Russia.

    Here again, Pakistan is associated with what will be considered as a pivotal moment of Chinese military technology arriving, after all it is the Chinese calling it the second deepseek moment, and I suppose in this case Pakistan’s role is a bit more than a footnote

    Now finally just to conclude, this may not be good news for Pakistan in that they are again embroiled in grand strategy of bigger powers, we have to remember that the British drew the borders

  379. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    By the way, this perception of Indian freedom fighters

    It is not some perception and it is not some nonsense. You desire it to be so, but that does not make it fact.

    the Indian elites had long since compromised and coalesced with the British elites.

    No not really. Depends on which elites? A very simplistic theory of a very complex issue.

    That’s it, not a true struggle for independence of mind, and thinking and language.

    What???

    And before you throw at me your revisionist history,

    You are the one farting out retarded revisionist history mate, and low quality gas fart at that.

    India has unambiguously said it is happy with the status quo, therefore the dollar system

    Nope. India’s long term goal is destruction of the dollar system.

    BRICS -India may as well just leave the organization

    Who cares?? India will not collapse if it left BRICS. It is in India’s India’s interest to leave BRICS as I think South Africa is a very weak link.

    where is this revolutionary spirit gone?

    Your idea of “revolutionary spirit” is kowtowing to China. If India agrees everything China wants, you guys will suddenly call India great “Revolutionary country”. LMFAO. Simple As.
    I maintain, I used to think, that the Indian state was be quite childish in its mentality sometimes, but the Chinese State is the most CHILDISH entity on planet Earth. They just cannot fathom any other entity not agreeing with them at all, and come up all kinds of some of the most childish copes. The Middle Kingdom mentality just won’t die. Even Marxism could not kill it.

  380. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    It seems to me, that the very idea of an Indian Hindu civilizational state being flaunted and projected, is in fact a cruelty on the people of India.

    What you retards are denying Indian Hindu Civilization now? You shits are so up your propaganda, you are denying the history of one of the greatest civilizations on Earth. Can you jokers fall any lower?

    What’s wrong with just keeping your head down for 30 to 50 years

    Hindus have being keeping their heads down under massive Indian state bullshit secular propaganda for decades. Hindutva is Indian decolonization STEP 2. Last 60 odd years we had anti-British decolonization frenzy. Now it is time to decolonize India from Islamic colonization. There is nothing odd about it.

    has been swayed in this delusion echo chamber,

    No they are not.

    I think that the reality is, that India is actually a new nation, therefore has not built up the muscle memory

    God!!! Please I want to cry. This is some of the biggest load of shit I have read from a uninformed retard. We Indians have good muscle memory. Most Indians remember what our ancestors went through for 800 years of Islamic rape and plunder of India. Most Indians remember the back stab of China in the early decades after Independence. No name a few. We remember these very well and may remember this for centuries. The amount of retarded “rationalisation” and cope in your comment can only come from loads and loads of cocaine snortin. High grade copium…i mean cocaine.

    Be that as it may, your prognosis for India, is somewhat frightening because they are still 1.5 billion people, who truly believe in the mythology that modi has created.

    somewhat frightening because they are still 1.4 billion people, who truly believe in the mythology that the CCP has created. There…. corrected that for you. Thank me later.

    The West has really been quite blatant in telling India that you are part of a 50 to 100 year plan against the China,

    India DOES NOT need the West to be anti-China. You retards cannot get this in your tiny heads. India will ally against all of China’s enemies or those who are weary of China. This includes Vietnam. This includes training Vietnamese submariners in submarine training facilities in India as both countries use Soviet/ Russian submarines.

    think that their rise, inherent abilities and economic wealth is inevitable and unstoppable and independent

    Supeliol Chinese, of Supeliol lace can lise, with inherent abilities and economic wealth is inevitable and unstoppable. Not lowly blown smelly Indians.
    Also supeliol Chinese think West and Japan is racist or lacist.
    LMFAO, I am rolling on the ground. mate. Comedy circus.

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  381. Owlistic says:
    @Malla

    The downing of the aircraft is substantive, that’s why it is occupying people’s focus. It holds a broader meaning to the wider world, and is increasingly discussed in the west but more sensibly

    Aside from that aspect, the whole missiles being launched, the constant bickering and attempt of one upmanship needs to end on both sides.

    Whilst India has gone for this independent make in India approach, Pakistan right now is a china plus Turkey reinforced military proposition. In other words, Pakistan can now inflict more conventional military losses to India, than any other point in its history

    I’ve read a good few of your post, you seem thoughtful , the tendency to be absorbed into the surrounding jingoism can overcome the best of us, India has effectively declared openly a long term war on Pakistan on any number of fronts, including water. Naturally, Pakistan and it’s army rule, has obliged head first.

    Wonderful, is this what you need to consume the next 10 to 20 years of your life?

  382. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    So really what we see is decision paralysis and this will be observed across many forums,

    are you in BRICS or not?

    Yes, India iz, as it is in our long term national interest.

    Are you with USA or not?
    Yes, if it is in our national interest.

    Are you part of Asian integration or not?
    What this means? Chinese domination over Asia. No we iz not.

    Are you for the dollar, or are you against the dollar?
    We iz against the dollar.

    Will you join the Western technological order, or the Chinese lead one?
    In a choice in between Chinese and Western, we would have to take the Western. However, ideally, we would join our own technological order, or if possible an Indo-Russian technological order.

    Question to Communist China, after Mao-Nixon cammadrie and Sino comes close to Murica against it’s creator, the Soviet Union. Or when China allowed Western companies to exploit Chinese labour for profit.
    When you wents closer to with Imperialist Capitalist USA against Soviet Comrades…wuz yous Communists or not? Did yall believe in Workers of the World Unite or not?

    When you allow companies from Capitalist countries to come and exploit your labour to help evil Capitalists make huge profits, iz u Communists or not?
    When youz helped Western Capitalist companies to defeat Western Workers Labour Unions who fought tooth and nail for higher wages and better working hours, by givin them Western Capitalists exporters access to cheap worker Comrades whose labour to exploit for profits an sheit, wuz you Marxists/Communists or not?
    When China invaded Vietnam for which, the great Communist Comrade Deng Xiopeng took permission from Capitalist American President, wuz yous Marxist/Communists or not and did yous not want to defeat Captalism, imperialism,….whatever …or not? Wots happened to yous Workers of World unites an sheit?

    Pakistan may be aksed. When Pakistan decided to side with the USA after Independence, and your enemy India was a Soviet ally, you logic was since, Paxton was created in the name of Islam, of Allah, of God, they would never ally with a country run by Marxists/Communists as they are atheists which IS COMPLETELY unacceptable to Islam. But now when you ally with a country run my Marxists/ Communist Party an atheist ideology, is Paxton Islamic or not? Does paxton honour God/ Allah who created the universe or not, by allying with an atheist power?

    Yall bastards, Sino and Paxton, have no honour and no principles, completely unprincipled I say and will make alliances and policies based on national interests. But Sino cannot tolerate India making her alliances based on her national interests. Hypocrisy. Yes.

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  383. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    Now to make it clear to you, Indian mentality. Very simple and sweets. Memorize it plez
    1] Russia vs West….overwhelming majority of Indians will enthusiastically support Russia. Point Blank. Period. No two ways about it.
    2] West vs China….overwhelming majority of Indians will enthusiastically support the West. Point Blank. Period. No two ways about it.
    3] Now…if the scenario becomes such…….China vs Muslims…..Hindus/ Jains/ Sikhs will support China.
    Simple As.

    To make it even clearer to you retards, how India thinks. Yo, check dis outs

    Samir Saran interview with Smita Prakash on US India relations.

    Watch from 2:49 to 9:44 minutes. Mr. Saran says that China like India believes in a multipolar World, India completely supports this, but in Asia, China wants to be the hegemon and this is completely unacceptable to India. This WILL NEVER be acceptable to India. NEVER EVER. This is how the Indian deep state feels.
    Also later in the interview, Samir Saran says that the USA (pre-Trump) is deeply compromised by China and that is why India is suspicious of the USA as well!!!
    I repeat, if the USA and China become solid allies, the USA will automatically and immediately be seen as a “more hostile” nation to India. “More hostile” because India and Indians still look at the USA as a semi-hostile nation even now.

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  384. Owlistic says:
    @Malla

    I want to be sensitive in my language here, I really don’t think there’s any point in people just abusing one another and attempting to hurt each other’s sensibilities.

    That being said, the claim that you have a civilization, but minus a 1,000 year gap where others were “making decisions”, means in fact you do not have a continuous civilization, you have cultural and religious continuity sure, but civilization is more than that, it needs a prior continuous reference point.

    the Indians have to go back like a thousand or even 2,000 years, and then clumsily try and retro fit this into the modern day narrative, hence you have moronic Indian MPs who say they invented the internet or nuclear technology thousands of years ago.

    Furthermore, a simple sort of eye test should confirm that there is civilization, if you were to visit India.

    Alas, there seems to be too many people, far too many people, who clearly have never seen civilization in India

    Why can’t the region just stfu, keep their heads down and just focus on development and improvement.

    China, for its part, has done remarkable things, I’m sorry that should not be controversial. China, also at least up until wolf warrior diplomacy, would always be at a pains to downplay their development , and they were already much ahead of India by then

    So what do you choose, substance or form?

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    , @showmethereal
  385. Owlistic says:
    @Malla

    I don’t know what you mean here, but you should know that the actual decision makers of Pakistan, are more pragmatic and ideologically flexible than the chauvinistic and stupid baboons that end up representing Pakistan’s point of view.

    So sure, keep going down that dead end of holding Pakistan to a version of Islam that you have in your head, and then wonder why the contradiction goes nowhere

    Finally, if you believe and really really want to hold on to the idea that India is an independent pole, a civilizational state, and subject to no external influence, then why on earth do you think the rest of the world, all predators, to support or be sympathetic to this? There is no kind of gentle gentle let’s make everyone happy and hope we grow method to become a civilizational state that is independent

    Look at Iran, just one aspect, and that is their resolve and fortitude I suppose is a reasonable way to describe it, to carry on pursuing their vision of national interest and be isolated

    We don’t know if they will succeed or not, they have suffered a great deal,but clearly there is some national resolve over decades to be ok with being truly isolated.

    I am not sure, if current day India enjoying it’s association with the west, is really willing to give that up and become truly independent

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  386. Owlistic says:
    @Malla

    Malla please, none of those dichotomies are real, or seriously operative.

    Samir Saran is ultimately selling you the logic to go into the American axis, your pro-america lobby is actually quite deep right now

    The operative dichotomy is, what other nations will favor the Chinese and Russian order for trade, finance, currency and technology

    will you have a Chinese digital infrastructure, or American. Or, will you trade more with the Americans, or the Chinese?

    Didn’t putin himself, unveil a brics currency?

    To that end, India like most other nations, will have to decide. The multipolar talk is now bipolar , the west is turning on India now because it’s calling its bluff

    Trump is saying if you want to go independent, then fine you don’t need or deserve or require apple manufacturing in India? Those American engines that you need for your tejas program to exist, they might not come so quickly. Even complimented Pakistan, lol

    The only way you can resist a Chinese Asian order, is to side with America, expect China to potentially embarrass India in BRICS+, apologies but your founding member status may not count for much against the broader ambitions of the organization to have a true global South block

    Right now,India is nowhere near ready to be an independent pole, but China is and the future is not going to wait for India to be a player

    To that end, you might want to consider it having a stridently Hindu nationalistic, angry vengeful population is very wise if you need to gain influence and control in the region, you need to win over and cooperate and influence your neighbors, alas the damage is done…. Pakistan, Bangladesh and somehow even the Maldives

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  387. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    There I fixed it for you.

    Not as simple as that. For the brutal occupation of Tibet, China had built roads on Indian territory without permission of the Government of India. How the hell does some foreign country build roads on our Indian territory without permission from our Government?

    Anyway we will let this video explain.

    How China Lost India Forever

    And here’s Nehru thinking about it. Well, look, we have to be on friendly terms with both Russia and America. But actually he (Nehru) felt much more in common with Russia. Why? Because he favored Fabian socialist economic policies that were much more akin to what’s going on in Russia than it was in the United States. Moreover, the United States was segregated, which appalled Nehru. And in addition, the United States was cozying up to all the colonial powers. So Nehru thought the Russians were the better bet. While all this is going on, the Indians were non-aligned and they treated the Chinese really generously. And I’ve got a whole list of generosity. So India immediately recognizes China in 1950. Countries like the United States didn’t, for forever. And when the San Francisco Treaty, I think, is signed in 1951 in the United States, ending the war with Japan, India refuses to sign because China and Russia aren’t there to sign as well. And then to help China break out of its diplomatic isolation at the end of the Korean War, India signs a friendship treaty with China. And as part of that friendship treaty, it recognizes Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. Under international law, contrary to what Vladimir Putin is doing lately, under international law, if you recognize someone’s sovereignty over territory that is permanent, you cannot back out of it legally under international law. So the Chinese promise, I don’t know, there’s some like, peaceful coexistence or whatever they’re promising the Indians, but that has no permanence under international law, whereas this thing does. And then from 1960 on, the Indians are voting to seat the People’s Republic of China, not Taiwan, on the UN.

    Meanwhile, in the background, all this road-building is going on. Those roads are being built between 1950 and 1957. And the Indians aren’t going to figure out until 1958 that the roads are there. Meanwhile, road’s completed. The Chinese want to complete their control over Tibet, and so they’re going to send big armies up there. And Tibetan culture is much more…It’s of Indian origin, it’s not Chinese origin. So this repression of Tibetan culture just appalls the Indians. And then two days before the People’s Liberation of Army is going to make it into Lhasa, which is the capital of Tibet, the Dalai Lama flees-he’s the spiritual leader of Tibet-he flees to India where he’s remained ever since to the absolute horror and anger of China. So at about this time, the Chinese come to the Indians and say, “look, why don’t we do a swap on sovereignty?” You recognize our sovereignty over that Aksai Chin Plateau where nobody lives, but it’s really good for the roads, China’s western route. And then we’ll recognize your sovereignty over this much more densely populated Arunachal Pradesh. And Nehru doesn’t want to hear anything about it.

    So during the Cuban Missile Crisis, when Russia is much too busy worrying about who’s going to be lobbying nukes at home, this is when China launches the 1960s Sino-Indian War and China just takes the Aksai Chin Plateau. The Indians are appalled because they don’t have any roads to be able to deploy up there, whereas the Chinese do. Their defeat is just total. And they can’t believe the Chinese did this to them. Here’s Nehru afterwards. There are not many instances in history where one country, that is India, has gone out of her way to be friendly and cooperative with the Chinese government and people and plead their cause in the councils of the world.

    And then for the Chinese government to return evil for good — and even to go to the extent of committing aggression and “invade our sacred land”. Who does this? So I get it. The Chinese get the territory they want. That was the goal of that war. But what they have done is taken a country, India, which had its leadership terribly idealistic, not interested in becoming militarized at all and making them angry forever. India immediately doubles the size of its army within the next 10 years to up to 750,000 people. Creates 10 mountain divisions useful against China. And they’ve never ceased being so angry. And then if you think about this, what if instead of playing this game this way, China and India had teamed up? I would suspect we would be in a completely very different world order now, if that is what they’d done instead. But this is China’s decision, not India’s fault on this one.

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  388. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    means in fact you do not have a continuous civilization,

    The Chinese concept of civilization and the Indian concept are very different. Your concept of civilization is very state based. Ours is society based.

    Indian MPs who say they invented the internet or nuclear technology thousands of years ago.

    I agree, that is B.S. A Hindu version of Afrocentrism, something which Muslims indulge in too.

    Furthermore, a simple sort of eye test should confirm that there is civilization

    Oh…You are blind, I wish you well in life. But you have not realized yet, you are blind in more ways than one.

    Alas, there seems to be too many people, far too many people, who clearly have never seen civilization in India

    What??

    Why can’t the region just stfu, keep their heads down and just focus on development and improvement.

    That would be very good advice to your Pakistani lackeys.

    China, for its part, has done remarkable things,

    Of course, China is always the BEST.

    So what do you choose, substance or form?

    Substance but never China. China has backstabbed us BADLY ONCE, took advantage of our extreme anti-West anti-colonial mentality before, took advantage of our generosity. Now the dumb Chinese are the receiving end of India’s scary anti-colonial frenzy.

    Samir Saran is ultimately selling you the logic to go into the American axis, your pro-america lobby is actually quite deep right now

    By saying the USA is compromised by China and thus we should not trust the USA completely? Are you on your cocaine again?
    And you are selling us the logic into the Chinese axis. Pro America lobby?? Yet the Americans complain about our extremely pro-Moscow old-school Socialist Indian bureaucracy. Everybody complainin and cryin.

    will you have a Chinese digital infrastructure, or American. Or, will you trade more with the Americans, or the Chinese?

    As per our national interest.

    To that end, India like most other nations, will have to decide. The multipolar talk is now bipolar

    We are no-polar. Both the USA and China are an untrustworthy scumbag. Snakes. Very bad choice.
    You need to get this B.S. out of your head. It is not a bipolar World, we reject this.

    The only way you can resist a Chinese Asian order, is to side with America,

    America, the lessor of two evils, but evil nonetheless.

    To that end, you might want to consider it having a stridently Hindu nationalistic, angry vengeful

    You are not understanding do you??? Even if the non-Hinduvadi opposition had been in power, India would not behave differently about China.

    China has lost India FOREVER. Next, Whichever party comes to power via the will of the people (a concept alien to the Chinese living in Communist dictatorship), India will never be pro-China. You need to make peace with this fact.

    Right now,India is nowhere near ready to be an independent pole

    We do not have any option. We will have to be, even if it is a week one.

    China is and the future is not going to wait for India to be a player

    Future?? India is NEVER going to be on China’s side. Learn to make peace with it. China should have thought about it decades ago when they backstabbed us. Now they cannot escape your karma.

    expect China to potentially embarrass India in BRICS+,

    Tell the Chinese to shove the Brick up their ass. What a childish people. LMFAO. LMFAO LMFAO. Kowtow to us or we will take away lollypop ….ooops…BRICS from you. LMFAO. China is not the future. Mark my prediction. They will be even worse than the West.

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  389. @Malla

    mali i know indians really well, you people know you are already defeated by chinese even before the battle begins mentally and physically, there is just no way presently or in the near future , this is why your lying godi fox impersanating media, the tea seller himself is desperattely trying to ally with thE US but trump and Magis have the utmost disdaian for indians ,so your media is attackingTHE US , u r also now completely in israels camp in the hope that you may get some military goodies from them.

  390. @Malla

    ladakh was not owned by j and k that area never had defined borders with india it is a part of AKSAI CHEEN which is connected to xinjiang PEOPLE THER ARE CHINK SLANT EYES not weak coward BINDUS.

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  391. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    So sure, keep going down that dead end of holding Pakistan to a version of Islam that you have in your head

    It is not in my head, it was in Zia Ul Haq’s head, who permanently (fundamentalist) Islamised Pakistani society. Too late now.

    if you believe and really really want to hold on to the idea that India is an independent pole, a civilizational state,

    It is not belief, it is fact, but the Chinese propaganda is hellbent on brainwashing everyone, otherwise. LMFAO.

    I am not sure, if current day India enjoying it’s association with the west, is really willing to give that up and become truly independent

    I am not sure, if current day Pakistan enjoying its association with China, is really willing to give that up and become truly independent.
    Corrected it for you.

    The point on Pakistan and India always being on opposing teams, is not ideological per se, they are essentially given roles, if there is some ideological overlap then fine,

    What kind of crack do you smoke??? LMFAO

    Whilst India has gone for this independent make in India approach, Pakistan right now is a china plus Turkey reinforced military proposition.

    India is Make in India reinforced by Russian, Israeli and French hardware. Pretty impressive, if you ask me.

    In other words, Pakistan can now inflict more conventional military losses to India, than any other point in its history

    NO it is not. LMFAO. But yes, we should not underestimate both the Pakistanis and China, like some Indian nutjobs do.

  392. @Rich

    Then don’t project idiocy.
    You are mirroring the idiocy he projects over “ClimaChange(tm)”.

  393. @Malla

    Stick to cricket.
    At least there is no bloodshed between adversaries in playing the Perfidious game, and you don’t have to experience an embarrassing defeat.

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  394. @antibeast

    Israel, U$A and UK win the “the most tragically incompetent, treacherous, self-deluding regime(s) on Earth.

    There! Fixed it for ya!

  395. Owlistic says:
    @Malla

    What do I even constructively respond to here?

    Yes look of course India does not want a Chinese Asian order, that’s perfectly fine I get it. It’s also understandable.

    The problem is, there is diddly you can do about it other than jump in with USA.

    Again, increasingly choices will have to be made in the next five, 10, 20 years

    India is simply not an independent leader in AI, quantum computing, chip manufacture, 6g…. Not even close.

    Let me frame it another way, India cannot independently create its own fighter jet engine, consequently your fourth generation aircraft program is grounded. JF is up and running, and it’s taking out French Raphael’s, and the tejas has been a 40 year undelivered project.

    China has a much deeper and broader knowledge and industrial base, it’s a country which has planned to be completely independent in as much as it can be, that’s the architecture of the country. They are now independently flight testing their sixth generation fighter, no external reliance

    your hodgepodge of global acquisitions has left you militarily retarded, it’s why you lost so badly in the air. Your indigenous program is reliant on receiving American engines FFS, that’s why it’s grounded

    The substance of the matter is, that no matter what you would like to believe India is not setting the price in this market, it is taking the price

    • Agree: Xavier
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  396. Owlistic says:
    @Malla

    oh geez, you’re listening to that USA deep state approved history of the world.

    Regurgitating old history, will not serve you usefully right now. So much has changed, China has changed so much. Just because there was a sentiment or approach to China then, it’s up to you in your gift if you want to maintain it, or adapt to it

    Anyway, since when did emotional revenge become an operating principle for a mature civilizational state

    Oh no they did us dirty then, we must be forever enemies until they are nice to us

    Really? Are you not a student of historical manipulation? So why are you listening to a deep state historian literary telling you how to think and feel?

    • Replies: @Malla
  397. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    oh geez, you’re listening to that USA deep state approved history of the world.

    oh geez, you spread Communist propaganda. So you must be right. Geez

    Anyway, since when did emotional revenge become an operating principle for a mature civilizational state

    Owlshistic: Hehe got ya, you have a choice now, either you stop desiring revenge against China and kowtow to superior China or you are not a civilizational state (which you are not, you smellies cannot be as great as Communist China). Which one are you?
    Malla: Brilliant trick. Genius.

    Oh no they did us dirty then, we must be forever enemies until they are nice to us

    What???

    Are you not a student of historical manipulation?

    If you oppose Communist China, you have to be a manipulator. Obviously. hehe

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  398. raga10 says:
    @Owlistic

    Who even brings this into what is really a military and technical discussion?

    Not me. It’s those claiming that “equipment wasn’t performing to its full potential because it was operated by Indians” who bring this into discussion. They don’t say that Pakistani force is better trained or more experienced or better funded – that would be a part of military and technical discussion but no, the have to bring up ethnicity instead. And in this case this is simply stupid because there is no ethnic difference between Indians and Pakistanis, they were one and the same until the end of WWII and that’s not long time ago in historical terms.

    Whatever else is going on, please let no one else in the world think that Pakistan in some way might be better at India at something, in some way.

    I couldn’t care less if Pakistan is better than India in some way and I very much doubt that you do, either. You just think Pakistanis are your pals because they bought Chinese equipment.

    • Replies: @Owlistic
  399. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    The problem is, there is diddly you can do about it other than jump in with USA……..blah blah blah…….. Communist China awesome…….blah blah blah…… Communist China so awesome it is orgasmic…….ohhhhh….India loser……blah blah blah…….Kowtow to Chincom already……..no other option…..blah blah blah…..China awesome….blah blah blah…..matter and energy and substance, E=mcLGBTQ+++….homo energy…..feels soooooo good and gay……. ohhhhhhh……blah blah blah…….. it is taking the price

    To find the answer, refer to the Indian opinion simplified. What do we see there, comment 394
    Let us go over it again.
    1] Russia vs West….overwhelming majority of Indians will enthusiastically support Russia. Point Blank. Period. No two ways about it.
    2] West vs China….overwhelming majority of Indians will enthusiastically support the West. Point Blank. Period. No two ways about it.
    3] Now…if the scenario becomes such…….China vs Muslims…..Hindus/ Jains/ Sikhs will support China.

    What point numba 2 sez??
    “West vs China….overwhelming majority of Indians will enthusiastically support the West. Point Blank. Period. No two ways about it.”

    There is your answer, it will always be the answer. Cheers.

  400. Lin says:
    @Malla

    Look, here’s an UN map dated 1945 and it shows vividly Tibet as part of China
    https://www.un.org/geospatial/sites/www.un.org.geospatial/files/styles/panopoly_image_half/public/world_in_1945_4135_r3_may10.jpg?itok=qwc2_HJh
    …………
    But

    And Tibetan culture is much more…It’s of Indian origin

    is correct to some extent that it’s the only part of China with a hindu type caste system…actually more oppressive than the average hindu type that it kept large number of slaves/serfs..
    And

    it’s not Chinese origin

    is incorrect …. the Tibetan language is linked to the Han chinese language.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Tibetan_languages
    ……..
    The average Tibetans aren’t stupid and they can definitely tell how much economic life has improved since kicking the lamas out of power.
    …Finally, let me replace

    And Tibetan culture is much more…It’s of Indian origin, it’s not Chinese origin

    by

    And Tamil culture is much more…It’s of Indus Valley origin, it’s not of ‘Aryan’ origin

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @Malla
  401. Malla says:
    @bike-anarkist

    Stick to riding your bike and spreading anarchy. Hopefully in China, you shrivelled hippy. In China, you could get a White Monkey job.

  402. @Daniel Ross

    If you don’t know that the J11’s and J16’s and Su-35’s are far more capable than the J10 then you probably shouldn’t waste time talking about misinformation. Let alone calling the J31/35 which is a dual engine a copy of a single engine F35 basically invalidates your comment right there. Going further – that invalidation is valid

    • Agree: Owlistic
  403. @Malla

    China got S-400’s from Russia before India did. So I’m not sure why the Indian crowd always boasts about it. China has had it longer – so why wouldn’t you think China knows how to destroy them? And do you not think they would share that with Pakistan…

  404. @littlereddot

    lol. I wrote the same thing. Western propaganda is so pathetic. A 2 engine plane and a 1 engine have completely difference characteristics – so how on earth can one be a copy of the other. The sad part is people are so easily duped – because the propaganda knows how to feed their prejudice. The clown doesn’t even know what a J16 is claiming the J10 is China’s most capable jet – outside the J20. LOL. Forget the Su 35’s from Russia that China has also

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  405. Owlistic says:
    @Malla

    It’s better to leave it here, I think you are presuming my position on China.

    I mean, as excellent as China’s progress has been, it is of course so very convenient that they were lucky enough to get the global manufacturing mandate for a few decades, quiet access to American scientific research for a good few decades, and perhaps a bit of intellectual property borrowing…. Then suddenly like let’s say the last 10 years… oh no this is a problem. Yes I am aware of that, there you go, I can even give you a counter narrative to my own narrative just to show that I am not fixated on a specific agenda

    Therefore, I do not presume them to be the super duper civilizational state you think I do, but they are doing good and are placed to do even better in the future.

    So, however you want to explain or rationalize the way things are, right now this moment none of that really helps India as being anywhere close to China, your sarcasm will not get you a fighter jet engine capability, factories to manufacture Apple phones or a military with a competent modern doctrine… Anytime soon

  406. Owlistic says:
    @raga10

    Clearly, paf has a superior military doctrine, managed to execute it well enough, come out on top from a defensive position……and all of that with a woeful financial situation

    It’s literally impossible in this scenario not to see differences.

  407. Malla says:
    @kicktheroos

    ladakh was not owned by j and k that area never had defined borders with india it is a part of AKSAI CHEEN which is connected to xinjiang PEOPLE THER ARE CHINK SLANT EYES not weak coward BINDUS.

    Ladakh including Akshai Chin were all part of the Kingdom of Kashmir, which joined India and thus are all part of India but occupied by foreign hostile powers and thus it is the duty of every Indian patriot to vow to reconquer our motherland from foreign invaders.
    As far as they being East Asian looking, Pakistan wants all of Kashmir, including Ladakh and the Ladakhis not look demonic Paki either.
    And come to think about it Uyghurs do not look like Han exactly and are, on average, way more attractive than the Han.

  408. Malla says:
    @Lin

    is correct to some extent that it’s the only part of China with a hindu type caste system

    King Songtsen Gampo’s legacy includes a pivotal contribution to Tibetan culture through the introduction of a script and the translation of Buddhist scriptures. His minister, Thonmi Sambhota, journeyed to India with sixteen students to study Buddhism and Sanskrit. Upon their return, they devised the Tibetan script, still in use today, drawing from North Indian Nagari and Central Indian Sharda scripts.
    Indian Buddhist masters like Bhiksu Santaraksita, Kamalasila and Padmasambhava were pivotal, bringing Indian practices such as Sanskrit usage and the creation of intricate mandalas to Tibet.
    The Tibetan language has numerous loanwords from Sanskrit, particularly in religious and philosophical contexts. The scholarly exchanges between Indian scholars and Tibetan lamas have enriched the linguistic traditions of both regions, fostering a shared intellectual heritage.
    Beyond religious texts, there has been a literary exchange between Tibet and India. Classical Tibetan literature includes stories and poetry that have been influenced by Indian epics like the Ramayana and Mahabharata.

    And Tamil culture is much more…It’s of Indus Valley origin, it’s not of ‘Aryan’ origin

    What a fukin retard. Chinks and their pathetic attempts to understand India and other societies.
    Both Indus Valley Civ and Aryans are foundations of Indian population and Culture.

    ook, here’s an UN map dated 1945

    What?? What part of this did you not understand?
    “And then to help China break out of its diplomatic isolation at the end of the Korean War, India signs a friendship treaty with China. And as part of that friendship treaty, it recognizes Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. ”

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  409. @Owlistic

    Not sure if you are new here – but Malla has an incessant obsession with China. Anyone who doesn’t praise India’s every action in his mind must be Chinese and a subject of “communist Chinese propaganda” even if the person has zero connection to China. But your writings it would appear to me that you are one of those who has zero Chinese connection – but he labels you as such. You will see. It’s almost disturbing. It’s like his brain is crowded non stop about China wanting to take over India because Chinese are jealous of India – LOL

  410. Owlistic says:
    @showmethereal

    I have never really bothered to reply, but I had noticed his responses in the comments section before, in fairness he’s allowed to be a patriot.

    But, the modi media phenomena seems to have really taken grip, I suppose it has been decades of it you will eventually take it in

    And guess what, India has gone full censorship, is blocking media outlets, Twitter accounts and harassing any individual who happens to have said good morning to anyone from Pakistan. But sure, it’s China who is authoritarian

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Malla
  411. Lin says:
    @Malla

    You’re basically re-stirring your word salad. Look, the original ‘aryans’ obviously were from area around Persia and Hindi is basically Urdu in local hindu scripts and Urdu is of persian/arab/muslim origin. So the iranian/arab authorities should’ve helped people like Bhindranwale in the Nehru-Dalai fashion.

    Huh?

    Both Indus Valley Civ and Aryans are foundations of Indian population and Culture.

    Great !!

    As long as you are a Hindu, you are a shudra; as long as you are a shudra, you are a prostitute’s son. As long as you are a Hindu, you are a panchaman (dalit); as as long as you are a Hindu, you are an untouchable. How many want to be a prostitute’s son? How many want to be untouchable?

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/tamil-nadu-dmk-deputy-general-secretary-a-raja-kicks-up-row-with-remarks-on-hinduism/articleshow/94186902.cms
    ………..
    The bottom line is the Dalai’s gang were serf owners and the average tibetans are happy with the improvement of their livinghood.

    Southwest China’s Tibet autonomous region built 230,000 affordable homes for low-income households in the past five years, amid the region’s increased efforts to improve people’s livelihood.

    https://english.www.gov.cn/news/topnews/202101/28/content_WS60121cc2c6d0f72576944a94.html

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  412. @Malla

    I knew you’d quote that hatchet-faced creature at some time. You and she would make a beautiful, hate-crazed, Sinophobic couple.That’s one of the great gifts of China’s rise and the definitive end of the Western reign of terror over humanity-seeing Western supremacists like it, and their pet sepoys, like you, going mad with IMPOTENT rage. I’d watch out however-remember the preying mantis, or black widow spider.

    • LOL: Owlistic
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  413. @Owlistic

    The hard-core Hindutvas claim Afghanistan, Pakistan, of course, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc, as ALL part of their mythical ‘Bharat’. After Modi comes the great ‘warrior’ kings, modeled on Bollywood, and much bloodshed amidst climate destabilisation and generalised ecological collapse.

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  414. @showmethereal

    Malla is a groveling compradore, the type the West loves as compliant dupes, but despises as human beings. He’d love to scrub his Master’s back, or clean his bum for him, or slander his enemies. Hindutva waxes chauvinistic, but at its heart it’s craven, obsequious and groveling to the ubercaste of the White West, and murderous and bullying to the weak-a familiar pattern.
    Hindutva India is full of appeals to ‘Whiteness’-you see it in marriage ads, Bollywood and ‘whitening’ creams and concoctions. Malla’s highest wish is to be reborn albino.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  415. @littlereddot

    It is you who are twisting everything out of shape.

    The J31 has two engines, and the F35 only one. Adding another engine to a fighter would alter its entire flight characteristics and require major if not complete redesign.

    Trump wants to twist the F-35 into a F-55! F-55 will be even more deadly than F-47:

    The F-55 would require a complete redesign of the F-35 airframe,…

    According to J J Gertler in an article for Breaking Defense, the F-35 airframe has no more room for a second engine, and that while a twin-engine F-35 could retain the original version’s combat system and cockpit, the plane has to be built around the engine, practically making a new design.

    https://asiatimes.com/2025/05/trumps-f-55-fighter-vision-collides-with-pentagon-reality/

    • LOL: littlereddot
  416. @mulga mumblebrain

    That’s one of the great gifts of China’s rise and the definitive end of the Western reign…

    “Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai”

    https://asiatimes.com/2025/05/if-china-can-rise-why-cant-india/

  417. Owlistic says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    So, in short that’s another chapter of mass delusion and disappointment

  418. Owlistic says:
    @Xavier

    Yeah, that is kind of interesting as the paf success in the recent skirmish also needed real time inputs from Chinese satellite imagery, to feed into the overall ecosystem

  419. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    but Malla has an incessant obsession with China.

    No I don’t. You guys should stop flattering yourselves so much. You guys have not earned it yet.

    Anyone who doesn’t praise India’s every action in his mind must be Chinese and a subject of “communist Chinese propaganda”

    Not me, but that is how the Indian masses think, they see a evil Chinese hand (and at times also a Muslim hand or a Western/ American hand) behind everything bad. Maybe they are right. Maybe not.

    It’s almost disturbing

    yesss. You are disturbing.

    It’s like his brain is crowded non stop about China wanting to take over India because Chinese are jealous of India

    Again not me. But that is how the Indian masses think. Maybe they iz wrong, maybe they iz right.

    In the Indian mind, the Chinese, the Anglo and the Muslims are all, one of a kind.

  420. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    I have never really bothered to reply,

    But you did and filled this place up with retarded comments. Why? We akse., Why?

    And guess what, India has gone full censorship, is blocking media outlets

    False. Yes, there is some censorship, but the censorship in India IS FAR FAR less than what China has. And the Democratic West is a master of censorship, too. Look at YouTube scrubbing away vidoes like there is no tommorow. And the Islamic World…LOL forget about it. All you bitches have no right to lecture us.

    But sure, it’s China who is authoritarian

    Becuz it iz.India has always been far far less authoritarian than China since the 1800s. Under Indira Gandhi’s emergency, under Modi and even as part of the BE, we have always been free wolves compared to the domesticated Chinese dogs. Word!!!

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  421. Owlistic says:
    @Malla

    Yes, China may well be considered to be a more authoritarian society.

    at least they are not pretending to masquerade as an open democratic society, whilst aggressively banning or censoring anyone who challenges the supremacy of modi and India.

    One system provides I suppose simplicity and order, the other is layers of contradictions and delusions

    Do people still believe that cash-mere has been captured by India, or the sea port in Lahore was bombed to smithereens?

    Is anyone able to freely admit that you actually lost your best fighter jets?

    It was a total Face saving panic move, your media is being given government scripts

    • Replies: @Malla
  422. Malla says:
    @Owlistic

    t least they are not pretending to masquerade

    they do masquerade being anti-Capitalist “revolutionaries” by cozying up to the American Imperialists against their creator USSR, by giving greedy Western Capitalist pigs the chance to exploit their own Chinese labour, with no labour unions, to make profit. Western companies fear our scary labour unions.

    One system provides I suppose simplicity and order

    The reality under that system is layers of contradictions and delusions.

    or the sea port in Lahore was bombed to smithereens

    Any person with any brains would bomb a seaport in Lahore to smithereens as it is extremely stupid to build a seaport in an inland city, far away from the sea. LMFAO

    Oh, it is very easy to criticize the Government. We have some Chinese and Pakistani paid anti-national traitors or ahem agents who criticize India 24/7. Yes, the Chinkos try taking advantage of our freedoms, but the chinkos had already torpedoed their reputation decades ago, so fortunately very people are fooled by their agents. Their money comes to India with minimum impact, and we LOVE THAT.

  423. Malla says:
    @Lin

    You’re basically re-stirring your word salad.

    And you are hallucinating eating spoilt tofu salad.

    Look, the original ‘aryans’ obviously were from area around Persia

    Nope, they were from the Ukraine-Central Asian region.

    Hindi is basically Urdu

    Urdu is basically Hindi in Arabic script. Hindi descended from Khariboli and the term Urdu comes from the Mongol word for tent, Ordo. Urdu, a mismatch of foreign rapes.

    As long as you are a Hindu, you are a shudra…..ow many want to be untouchable?

    He is obviously wrong.

    Dalai’s gang were serf owners

    Still better than Mao’s gang.

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