Where is China?

China is most probably giving Iran intel using its flotilla of satellites, Iran doesn’t have many satellites, but has an uncanny ability to identify targets for Yemen’s blockade and counter attacks against the US (same for Russia).

Iran also have demonstrated that it can identify and target Israeli air defenses during the ongoing conflict, so it is safe to assume both China and Russia are helping Iran.

China also delivered military cargo to Iran at the start of the conflict and after, Russia did the same earlier.

You kind of want to give your particular angle/spin to world affairs, do you need readers/followers and that’s why you create a little drama?

After reading/listening to the “analysts” on the web I must conclude is better to read/listen to the news from better sources and ignore the noise.

The analysts don’t know and all they do is “describe” what we see and hear online.

Century of Humiliation is coming up because China does not fight, they used to fight, but then they compromised and became capitalist dogs with children at Harvard and Yale and don’t have any morals. Chinese government is so weak abroad that when Israel shot at their diplomats the next week they put up this https://twitter.com/ChnAmbXIAO/status/1928093403612319932

If photo embed doesn’t work, it is a picture of the Chinese ambassador to Israel shaking hands with some Israeli and the text below reads

In a world where economic resilience and innovation matter more than ever, building meaningful partnerships is key.
Had a productive exchange with Israel’s Minister of Economy and Industry @NirBarkat — we expressed shared expectations for deepening China-Israel economic and trade cooperation.
#China #Israel #Trade #Economy #Innovation

Date May 29 2025

this AFTER Israelis shot at a delegation of foreign diplomats including Chinese diplomats, and supposedly China “slammed Israel” in a statement https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/china-slams-israel-for-warning-shots-near-diplomats-in-west-bank/ Date May 22 2025

Weak ass amoral bitch country, the mental gymanstics required from Mr. Hua Bin are going to be super pathetic and laughable, looking forward to the disgrace of the article he is going to be posting soon

You look like the launch of a new, cheap product being sold as innovative (copying the competition). Pathetic.

China has zero interest in Iran – apart from being a source of oil, which is on the way out now, anyway, and perhaps as a market for Chinese manufactures.
Therefore a nuanced policy of neutrality or benign neglect is the intelligent way to go.

On the other hand, Europe has an enormous stake in all this:

This is , of course, due to the massive Iranian emigration into Europe which can expected to happen at the slightest whiff of unpleasantness in Iran being used as an excuse and rationalization by Iranians to bumrush Europe en masse.
Believe me, Iranians are just itching for the start signal, bags in hand, and ready made whines ready for the so called ‘border guards’.

And rest assured the worthless, useless trash Europe has as ‘leaders’ will let all 100 million in.

Americans/British lie, cheat, steal, fabricate, and manufacture consent thru the thin air, but they call it MSM, better and reliable sources of news.

China has always (at least since the Deng era) had a ‘hands off’ foreign policy. Eventually they will have to confront the Anglo-American-Jewish Empire, militarily. It will be forced upon them by the neocons, with their ‘my way or the highway’ world view.

Where and when will China make a stand? Probably over Taiwan. Egged on by the DPP, essentially a US puppet outfit, and one happy to sell out China in return for scraps at the American table.

China must learn from Iran, a country that should have been better prepared, and less trusting. Taking notes and paying strict attention, the lesson for China is that complacency coupled with diplomacy and negotiations is not a long term strategy for dealing with a duplicitous West. We saw that with Ukraine and the Minsk Accords. And now Iran, thinking they could buy some time negotiating with the US.

Finally, when it is time to deal with the West militarily, China should be prepared to be as bloodthirsty and as violent as the Jews. Go for the head of the snake early, and don’t worry about consequences or world opinion. All that will sort itself out, once the smoke clears.

When will the Americans and NATO send their troops to the ground in the ME? The Americans and NATO should stop shouting with their big mouth and fleeing from the battlefields. Perhaps we should change DACO to AACO( Americans Always Chicken OUT.)

The Chinese government has always taken it on the chin when confronted with a weaker adversary ( American troops in Taiwan and the Philippines) saying confrontation is not the smartest path.

I have no doubt the influence the overall government has on the population of Chinese .The masses of citizens have learned well and when Washington pulls the trigger on toppling the central government of China the people will take the approach taught, confrontation is not the smartest path and watch from a safe distance.

The only nation China should be friendly with – friendly, note, and not ‘ally’ or ‘make a pact with’ – is Russia and Russia alone.
A full free trade regime between the two nations, as a starter, would do both a power of good, and, most importantly ensure the final death and burial of the USA and western Europe, ‘west’, as if their madcap ideological commitment to massive uncontrolled third world immigration – something which they cannot blame on anyone but themselves – won’t do the job surely and certainly enough.
Just being wise, quiet and circumspect and allowing all the above to naturally unfold, as it will, without rushing into hot headed nonsense about trivia, eg Israel, Iran, is the wise coursemof action.
Believe me, just do this and all will beautifully slot into place like the most glorious technical Lego kit.

China should have a huge interest in Iran because if not for Iran the US would have 1/3 of its force projection capabilities freed up. If Iran is defeated, will those forces go back to the US? Or will they put on China’s doorstep?

What a pile of shit !!!!!!

If you are a Muslim or Pakistani or what have you angry about Iran’s humiliation, all I can say is “Go and fight your own battles”, no one with a brain thinks Iran, Palestine etc is worth the steam off their piss. Why don’t you form your own Muslim Brigade, go to Israel and fight rather than *talk* a good fight?
Basically you’re on your own and no one cares. No one gives a shit.
Stop foaming at the mouth with your own anger and frustration and trying to goad others into doing what you can’t do.

As it happens, no doubt, China can and will possess the most lethal nuclear arsenal in the world in the very near future – they’ve got the brains and balls to do it. Doubtless they will make a bomb that would knock the earth off its axis and send it spiralling into the sun.
Now, I warn everyone here, if whites, Anglo Saxons or whoever ever even *DARES* humiliate the Chinese again – they will be vaporised into atoms with no quarter or mercy given.

I’m not joking. Take this as prophecy.

I’ll give it a watch. I don’t think China’s role needs much explaining though…
It won’t do anything, the politburo is only concerned with maintaining its power structure (stability) and that happens by not embroiling one self in foreign adventures.

Even if the Iranian oil ends up costing more (if it should fall into US hands) it is much safer to eat the costs than risk stability.

It’s the most stable option.

Now to watch this….

In China, there’s frequent talk of Rothschild-style Jewish conspiracies, but little real understanding of how Jewish influence actually shapes US foreign policy particularly through lobbying, elite networks, donor power, and ultimately white guilt preventing whites from fighting back. The last one is a big one that Chinese don’t know anything about because the most Western aware Chinese went to US universities where they themselves get brainwashed about white supremacy being a real problem. If Chinese observers grasped Jewish power more clearly, they might see that Iran plays a strategic role in limiting Israeli dominance in the Middle East. So long as Israel faces a serious regional rival, the US has a reason to keep troops and ships in the region. But if Israel were unchallenged, that rationale weakens, freeing US military focus for China’s backyard.

Iran has not beeen a close strategic partner with China and has yet to earn the trust and support from China.

they sure as fuck “trust” the “support” of the oil they buy. and last time i checked a map iran is quite “close” to china and that might affect some “strategic” decisions.

whatever. even the best bloggers have one or two blind spots that make them a little less credible. yours seems to be some axe to grind with iran disguised as “pragmatism”.

again, you’re right about some obvious stuff, e.g. “iran’s security was pathetic and they need to quit broadcasting the names and GPS location data and mothers’ maiden names of every new goddamn military leader.” common sense. but then you seem to trust the MSM viewpoint vis a vis iran’s power or lack thereof.

ditto hezbollah; note to anyone reading this, “ceasefire” kinda negates “defeat“. between the house niggers in beirut and the “israelis” killing civilians (in a country with zero AD), hezbollah made the best decision they could. they had made their point by raising stock prices at the body bag companies. nazi meat cooked in Merkava Hot Pockets speaks for itself.

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hez are still a “thing” and they barely put a dent in their supply even considering the new smuggling realities from syria.

china doesn’t need to intervene yet. nor does russia. and iranians don’t trust either 100%, for the record. russia is fighting the same enemies and china knows they’re the final boss and will have taiwan and/or hong kong issues in the near future.

Years ago, I remember reading an Iranian propaganda piece about their new anti air missile.

It looked exactly like a 1970’s era US Hawk system. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-23_Hawk

As expected, a 50 year old design, doesn’t work very well, like at all, against modern aircraft. Neither do the Chinese AA systems that Iran bought from China.

Pakistan agrees! LOL!!!!!

Haha China is already humiliating itself with how they wash Israeli and American cocks and balls, Taiwan is one huge humiliation for China. China has no plan for restoring dignity except be nice to Americans until they start to buy Chinese goods again.

China has brains, but do they have balls and morals, something to stand up for? They don’t even stand up for Chinese diplomats being shot at by the most hated country on Earth. I am starting to think Chinese don’t have brains either.

Where did Xi Jinping’s daughter go to school? Where does she live and work now?
Worthless insect people behaviour.

China has always had a ‘hands off’ foreign policy

Best laugh I had all week

The Americans humiliate China on a regular basis and China does nothing about it. Is sailing warships through the Taiwan strait, and sending American officers and arms to Taiwan, not a humiliation?

THIS.

“Is sailing warships through the Taiwan strait, and sending American officers and arms to Taiwan, not a humiliation?”

So in your opinion, instead of properly answering THOSE humiliations that directly impinge upon herself (which I agree is what she needs to do), IN THE EAST ASIAN/PACIFIC THEATER OR NEARBY, China should instead – get into a meaningless, useless fight thousands of miles away to try to save the Iranian fundamentalist mullah regime from defeat at the hands of Israel/U.S.?

Why don’t you and your army fight your own battles rather than cowardly trying to hide behind someone else?

Look, consider the ‘Uighur’ question:

Basically, no Muslim nation on earth has anything at all to say against China on the issue.

The only rabid vocal opposition – which given half the chance will turn into actually funding and arming – is from the strongly anti Muslim USA, and its lackeys in western Europe.

There’s a moral there, surely.

Is Israel trying to alienate every country, even a client state of the US?

https://thecradle.co/articles/pakistan-breaks-ranks-backs-iran-in-war-with-israel

Pakistan breaks ranks, backs Iran in war with Israel
Pakistan reveals that Israeli drone operators attempted to sabotage Pakistan’s nuclear facilities during the India-Pakistan crisis in May. This is a major reason why Islamabad is throwing its full weight behind Tehran in the Israel-Iran war.

Neither do the Chinese AA systems that Iran bought from China.

Rafales in the hands of the Hindian pilots work best!! 😀

https://theaviationist.com/2025/05/07/indian-rafale-shot-down-photos/

Yindian Rafales were excellent at stopping Pakistani missiles.

Best laugh I had all week

Well, we need more happiness. It’s like Theo Bikel said at the end of 200 Motels, “We understand how hard it is to laugh these days, with all the terrible problems in the world!”

But since the Deng era, say, since 1980, the last 45 years, what are the foreign military expeditions China has been involved in?

Then, compare that with the US, and hope you can still laugh.

Xi and the CCP are controlled by the same international criminal gang that run Trump and Putin

The folks bombing babies in Gaza

It hurts to admit it but what you say is true. Understandably we have to respect US power so we can’t directly confront them at the moment in the Taiwan Strait. However we should be indirectly subverting the US at an opportunity like this. While they are gearing up for full blown war in the Middle East. It looks like we won’t even take a low level risk like stopping a Philippine ship from docking at a small island we claim in the South China Sea. Our lack of risk taking could well eventually mean our own defeat because the people who are now first (Iran) and second (Russia) in line for a thrashing from the US will be picked off individually and gone. The full might and attention of US power will then thrash us. At least for now to make ourselves feel better we can make fun of Indians who are delusional about the junk quality of their air force.

It seems that is what you claim to be your ancestral history .A prized heirloom of a memory stored in the dark abyss of your brain.
Why does Israel try to steal oil from Gaza shore again? Why does US steal oil from NE Syria again? Why is Germnay’s economy tanked after sanction on Russia? Why did they bother to sabotage Nords Stream?
Why is US pressuring otehr countries to buy its LNG?

Now return to Herzyla and take ADL,AIPAC,WINEP with you.

Russia will pay the price in terms of terrorism craeted by west out of the Syrain ruling clan, disaffected cituzen of Irana nd Iraq after Iran goes down. It will be done .

Why don’t you share (with the world) China’s knowledge of the genetics of psychopathy?

To ponder: https://pathwhisperer.info/2014/12/10/the-genetic-cocktail-of-psychopathy-genetic-markers/

“Never Mind The Bollocks”.

As the Sex Pistols famously said.

Here is truth:

The ‘west’, that is the USA and it’s lackeys and vassals in Europe and Canada has basically one policy. That is massive uncontrolled third world black/brown immigration into its nation states. The Economist magazine – you know those cunts who tell you China is ‘finished’ in every issue, for the past 30 years as it happens – expound this policy and western ‘leaders’ wishing to be seen as ‘clever’ , of course, implement. As an aside the shit cunts who run the west couldn’t give a damn if indigenous whites are crowded out of their ancestral homes. ‘White Trash!’, ‘White Scum!’ the shit cunt class of western leaders snigger behind closed doors.
White people in the west must grow up and realise this fact.

What has this got to do with China and Iran, you might ask?

Being fully aware of the proclivities of The Economist, and the shit cunt class, the Chinese are fully relaxed and satisfied and certain that the ‘west’ – due to the actions of The Economist and the shit cunt class only, without the slightest effort either way being expended by China – will implode like a popped balloon in a surprising short time scale, due to the eventual bloody racial coming civil war that will destroy it within.

All China needs to do is keep a cool head and watch it unfold in real time.

The Economist magazine will do the rest.

Just one other point:

Have you noticed that the anti China propaganda line emanating from Langley, Virginia, (and The Economist, of course), has changed drastically in the last month or so from loud barks of “Evergrande!!!” to “China will disappear !!!! ” – low birthrates, apparently – .

The Evergrande thing has been to put to bed, one can safely assume now that it was bullshit from start to finish, now the barking has stopped.

The birth rate thing is just such *OBVIOUS* bollocks that it hardly deserves serious thoughts.

Now, I warn everyone here, if whites, Anglo Saxons or whoever ever even *DARES* humiliate the Chinese

China did nothing when their embassy was destroyed in Belgrade by Clinton. They are scared to antagonize their lifesaving American market. Presently, huge anxiety from the American tariff scare. They are pussycat on international stage.

The war in Ukraine and now in Iran are American proxy wars against Russia and China and BRICS onslaught of US$ (power). The CIA, MI6 (potentially Mossad) concocted schemes of using Ukraine and now Israel to fight their wars away from their coasts. Chinese intelligence agencies should register this American clandestine scheme (most likely Trump is bypassed by the neocons) – camouflage by Iran seeking nuclear bomb issue – to change the Iran regime with the one hostile to China.

If what you say is true why is China making alot of new policies to bring the birth rate up?

Trump and Putin cannot be run by the same gang, because Trump is run by the American vitriolic WASP and MIC against Putin. Presently the proxy war in Ukraine targets Russia and just recently the Israel proxy war against Iran targeting China and Russia.

The birth rate thing is just such *OBVIOUS* bollocks that it hardly deserves serious thoughts.

No. It is obviously a serious problem. This is the from the United Nations and is the medium scenario.

That’s more than I can say about the governments of the USA, the UK, Germany etc etc etc.

Basically the white birth rate has cratered in all those nations.

The political response is to bring in *even more* black and brown immigrants – which can only serve to crater the white birth rate even more. Competition for scarce resources and all that.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Even with a tenth of its present population, China would still be overpopulated.

Those of those old enough to remember will certainly remember the non stop nagging shrieks of China being overpopulated, and the snide ‘joke’ remarks along the lines of ‘ if every single Chinese jumped off a table at the same time, it would cause the biggest tsunami the world has ever seen ‘.

No. It is obviously a serious problem.

Obviously the Chinese government doesn’t regard it as a serious problem.

There is presently discussion within China what is the ideal population size. The figures range between 700 million to 1 billion. At present the population is still 1.4 billion.

If you look at their history, are no strangers to drastic population control measures.

1949 to 1976, almost doubling of population from 540 to 970 million
1983 to 2016, drastic decrease in fertility rate due to One Child Policy.

The fact that we do not observe the Chinese government enacting similar drastic population increase measures shows that in no hurry to correct the fertility rate. Rather, there are some subdued trials going on in some cities to see what measure are effective or not. They are clearly preparing preparing for the time when they have increase their fertility rate….just not just yet.

The UN is full of shit.

Just like many posters here.

Regarding this context, I strongly recommend Hua Bin, and indeed any other interested Chinese people, up to and including very senior Chinese government officials to go on YouTube and view the whole series of interviews performed by one David Betz, Professor of ‘War in the Modern World’ at King’s College, University of London.

I must say that I was strongly impressed by Professor Betz, he is a scholar’s scholar, one of those very rare individuals who can fill up a room by sheer force of overpowering mind numbing intellect. The Chinese have always revered *true* and good scholars, and Prof. Betz is surely one of that rare breed. You will not see the likes of him again.
Please go and watch his videos, you will learn information of priceless value.

The gist of it all is that ‘west’ will be torn apart by bloody racial civil war in very short order.

Interacting with anything by Hua Bei, who also in fact always uses a Christian or European forename elsewhere, always omitted here, is pointless.

He never replied to anything even once since Mr. Unz appointed him a star commentator.

A few special factors exist, P.C.R. never replies even on the few occasions he opens a thread to comments, Priss will reply to an occasional comment to a J-F article, (in that case, I suspect that no J-F commentator rights was part of the deal), Mr. First Class flying points, Pesbobar never replies, same for Andre Anglin, and many others.

Except for J-F and PCR, most of the never-reply crowd are just jerks with no excuse for not reading and replying at least sometimes.

For Japan, the wartime ‘Hundred million under Heaven’s [the Emperor’s] roof’ slogan included the populations of the Korean peninsula and Taiwan.

The population of the home islands would have been much less than 80,000,000.

Only post-war did it reach 128,000,000 or higher.

At the end of the Tokugawa Shogunate, it was about 50,000,000.

Do you? China collapses if American/EU markets are lost.

err,

USA contributes 3% to China’s GDP
EU contributes 3% to China’s GDP.

A loss of 6% will be unpleasant, but it will hardly be fatal.

BTW. China trades more with ASEAN (Southeast Asia) than it does with US or EU.

Yeah. Some folks take a very narrow, limited (short term) view of the population issue.

For the vast majority of human existence, humans have been preoccupied with feeding themselves, a/the primary human need.

in USA,
in 1725, 90% of the population was involved in agriculture
in 1825, 70% of the population was involved in agriculture
in 1925, 25% of the population was involved in agriculture
in 2025, 2% of the population was involved in agriculture

I tend to be an optimist, so I speculate that in the near future, the problem society will face will no longer be “how to get more people”, but rather “how will the people we have find meaningful things to do?”

When we are able to answer these profound questions, the very nature of human society will be totally transformed.

Simple arithmetic tells us that the product of *just one year’s worth* of Chinese economic growth will permanently and for perpetuity nullify that economic loss.

Anyhow, the stage in China’s economic growth plan when it had a dire need of dollars has long since passed. That era has gone and won’t come back. Ever.

On the other hand *all* of the world’s GDP growth is coming from the ‘global south’ of which China is well poised to supply with sorely needed and wanted manufactures.

Furthermore, all that China really needs from outside world is raw materials. Russia and friendly nations in the global south can amply see to that.

Why do you think the UN population division and its estimates are full of shit?

Rather, there are some subdued trials going on in some cities to see what measure are effective or not. They are clearly preparing preparing for the time when they have increase their fertility rate….just not just yet.

For every year ultra low fertility continues, it makes it only harder to improve the situation.

Not the population estimate, but the political narrative that is being spun from it, ie, “China is Finished!!!”, no doubt a purely political agenda is being pushed – trying to sow the seeds of dissension. It has the stink of Langley, Virginia all over it.

Anyhow, China is massively overpopulated, by any measure, and a program of population decline is a welcome development.

The real demographic danger to the world is from Africa. Of course, nary a squeak from the UN on that, or indeed in the very definite trend of the rapid extinction of the white European race – which will certainly reach a denouement in the next century.

As I said the UN is full of shit. Just look at the stinky political agendas being pushed by its various agencies, from mass migration to blatantly partisan policies. Anyone with a Braun would agree with me.

Who knows the ideal human population on Earth? My opinion is around two thousand million, perhaps three. Enough to do big human projects, few enough to allow space for the rest of the biosphere.

What we have now, zooming up to ten thousand million, increasingly composed of the worst.

I read a book by James Lovelock (R.I.P., I think), called Life on Earth, not sure if I have the title and author name correct, but think so, he makes some very good points: if everything were to collapse, no places where oil bubbles to the surface, no accessible deposits of metal (all stripped bare), and so on. So, a total collapse.

Also on our co-inhabitants, which make the biosphere work.

For every year ultra low fertility continues, it makes it only harder to improve the situation.

By using the word “improve” you have assumed that China’s low fertility is a bad thing.

How is it bad if China has deemed its ideal population is 70% or 50% of what is now?

How is it bad if the government of a country can snap its fingers and double its population in 30 years, then snap its fingers again and more than halve its fertility rate? Wouldn’t maintaining a replacement level at its deemed ideal population be easy for such a society?

China is not like the West. We should not look at it through Western lenses.

My opinion is around two thousand million,

I personally don’t really have an opinion on this.

I am not trying to skirt the issue, it is just that it is pretty much due to the individual. A guy who loves living in a city, would give a very different answer from a guy who likes living in the wilderness. I suppose anything between 1000 and 7 billion would be fine. 7 billion since we have already proven that it is possible.

Another personal speculation: I think that if we don’t vaporize ourselves first in a nuke war, eventually human tech will progress to the point when we can travel to the stars. When that happens, we will leave this nursery behind to the next sentient life form that will develop here. Maybe octopuses? Dolphins? Ravens? Praying Mantises? Who knows?

When we are at that stage, we will take care to clean up this planet of all traces of ourselves so that we do not unduly interfere with the development of the next lifeform.

If it is your opinion that the ultra low fertility rate of China currently is not a bad situation for China and will not result in steep economic and social decline in the decades to come then there is nothing for me to further discuss with you.

1,000 is likely too few. Except in U.S. finance, ‘billion’ meant 10^12. That almost none recall that means that I have a better memory than most.

Am not a rabid population reductionist, but would like to see food and medical aid to the most explosive populations eliminated. If they want to breed so much, they should work out how to do it independently. State governments in parts of the south of India were recently demanding that New Delhi will encourage 12 to 13 children per couple.

It is insane, except in terms of population invasion of other places.

I don’t see why humans should depart from the earth.

Roughly twenty years ago, there was a spate of S.F. stories that had some connection to dogs,

Two were very good. In the better of the two, some never-described aliens invaded, and altered every animal on earth to be more intelligent and to hate humans. it worked on all. except dogs, and dogs drove the aliens away,

In the end. after finding no habitable planets. one of the starships returns to Earth.

They make a camp. A wolf visits, and quickly becomes their friend.

1,000 is likely too few.

LOL, I took that out of biology.

For a species to propagate its genes successfully it takes something like 500 individuals. I just made the number niftier sounding by rounding it to 1000 🙂

it worked on all. except dogs, and dogs drove the aliens away,

That story would make a nice movie actually. I would watch it!

By 1,000 is not enough, I didn’t mean biologically, but in terms of keeping things running,

Also, my precis of the story left out a few steps.

Having been defeated by the aliens, who are never seen in the story, humans have captured enough examples of the alien technology to construct a few giant star-craft in the remaining human-controlled areas. They leave.

Domesticated dogs attack the aliens, so the aliens also leave, but they also exterminate domesticated dogs on the way out.

So, the story goes full circle back to the first friendship between wolves and people, which happened in many places in the Eurasian landmass, even in Japan, though I am quite sure that the Ainu were the ones who bred the Shiba and Akita breeds.

More deranged wishful ‘thinking’ from a racist troll.